The Broncos finally make a splash — but is trading a first-round pick for Jaylen Waddle the right move? The crew debates Denver’s aggressive gamble, what it means for the offense, and whether the price was too steep. Plus, the Nuggets continue to show cracks late in games, raising real concerns about their playoff ceiling, while the Avalanche face questions after a tough loss and look ahead to a pivotal stretch. The guys also dive into NCAA Tournament dark horses and wrap with a look at the World Baseball Classic final.
The Broncos shook up their offseason by trading for Jaylen Waddle, but the move sparks immediate debate over value, cost, and whether he truly elevates the offense. The crew questions giving up premium draft capital for a wide receiver and compares the move to other potential options Denver could have pursued. They also examine how this changes the narrative around what had been a quiet offseason and what it means for Sean Payton’s long-term plan.
Shifting to the Nuggets, the conversation turns to a troubling pattern — an inability to close games and inconsistent defense. Despite flashes of dominance, Denver’s late-game execution and defensive lapses raise serious questions about their ability to contend in the playoffs. The panel also breaks down rotations, coaching decisions, and what needs to change before the postseason.
On the ice, the Avalanche are coming off a disappointing performance, but the discussion focuses on the bigger picture — depth, injuries, and whether this team is still a legitimate contender. The crew debates playoff matchups, including potential concerns with teams like Dallas and Minnesota, and what Colorado needs to clean up.
The episode also includes a lively NCAA Tournament discussion with dark horse picks, bracket strategy, and the unpredictability of March Madness. The show wraps with a look at the World Baseball Classic final and what to expect from Team USA vs. Venezuela.
Chapters:
00:00:00 – Opening, St. Patrick’s Day & Denver sports headlines
00:01:53 – Broncos trade for Jaylen Waddle reaction
00:04:48 – Was Waddle worth a 1st & 3rd round pick?
00:08:59 – Broncos offseason narrative shifts
00:11:04 – Dobbins gamble & roster construction
00:16:43 – Avalanche blown out by Penguins reaction
00:20:24 – Avs playoff outlook & biggest threats
00:22:09 – Nuggets coaching & roster concerns
00:23:29 – Nuggets closing issues & defense problems
00:25:34 – Lakers loss breakdown & officiating debate
00:31:19 – American Financing read
00:32:31 – NCAA Tournament preview & dark horses
00:41:59 – World Baseball Classic final preview
00:48:44 – Show wrap
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Tom Green
Well, happy Saint Patrick's Day, everybody. It's a big Penguin week, if you will, here in Colorado. The penguin himself, Jaylen Waddle, who waddles like a penguin when he scores a touchdown, is coming to town. And the Pittsburgh Penguins blasted the Avs. But I think most excitement is really around the nuggets. And tonight finally we're going to get to see Joel Embiid in Denver.
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Ron Zappolo
You know you probably will get to see Joel Embiid. He'll be walking out about two minutes before game time in one of those beautiful suits. The seven foot guy has made form.
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Tom Green
He's watched a lot of games.
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Ron Zappolo
And he'll sit on the bench wave and people.
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Woody Paige
Do you know that. Will Chamberlain appeared in Denver more than be. And you're saying, oh, you made it up. Will Chamberlain was the coach in the ABA of the San Diego County.
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Tom Green
They conquistador.
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Ron Zappolo
The conquistador.
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Woody Paige
The Q's and I sat next to. He wore a incredible red suit, and he actually would show up to coach that team occasionally. And he came to Denver for a game. So he actually he he couldn't play in the ABA because of his contract. Yeah. Didn't want to play. I think he.
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Tom Green
Didn't last long either. Coaching. No. But he dabbled in coaching in the ABA days. Yeah. We'll get to the no.
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Ron Zappolo
We got to
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Ron Zappolo
thank the great people at Furniture Row for their wonderful, chairs here. Very comfortable. We've enjoyed it. The coffee tables, everything. It's first class.
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Tom Green
All right, let's get to football, man.
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Woody Paige
They have great, great, places where you go shop and all the different places. It's not a warehouse. Don't.
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Tom Green
It's. It's all manmade. Let's talk about the Broncos. They made.
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Ron Zappolo
Big news.
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Tom Green
Just this morning. We've been talking about that. They had made no moves. Really have no other than signing their own players. They had money to spend, and apparently they're willing to spend it, but they're also going to give up their first round draft pick in a deal with the Miami Dolphins to bring in Jaylen Waddle. Waddle's had a nice five year career down in Miami, but he will come in and be option number one for the Broncos as far as throwing the football.
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Ron Zappolo
Well, based on how much money he's making, he's got to be option number one, I would assume. What do you think of this deal?
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Woody Paige
Not much. And I'm not trying to be anti Broncos or the guy that complains about everything, but I saw the list. On Friday or Saturday I went through free agents and they had not signed anybody. And I said, well, okay, who who's out there and water wasn't out there. He was still on the roster, but there was talk about that.
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Woody Paige
They were willing to get rid of him. And I went, I think his best days are behind him. Tom told me he's 29, so,
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Tom Green
Is he.
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Woody Paige
Should be entering because.
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Ron Zappolo
He's played five years, so.
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Tom Green
He might be younger than.
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Ron Zappolo
That. Yeah, I didn't.
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Tom Green
Somebody else named Tom told you that, but did probably close the other.
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Woody Paige
Tom.
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Speaker 1
Toby.
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Ron Zappolo
Did we establish they gave up a first, a third and a fourth and they get a fourth back.
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Tom Green
So basically a first and a third.
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Ron Zappolo
Yes.
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Woody Paige
He had a couple of three good years when they had Hill.
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Tom Green
But that's where I want to go with this. I think it's interesting. You got to sort of you have to sort out Jaylen Waddle, collegiate football player a star help National championship team at Alabama beat Bo Nix when the Iron Bowl when they played each other. But he comes to Miami and Brian Flores is the head coach. He plays with Tua Tagovailoa.
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Tom Green
And you know that's I don't know if there's consistency ever in what we've seen out of two his career. So it's hard to measure him against what he's had as far as throwing the football. And then Mike McDaniels comes in. As a rookie he was their top offensive threat. The next year they bring in Tyreek Hill. Well Hill obviously becomes their big play home run hitter.
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Tom Green
And waddles asked to do different things. So I think it's the Broncos are trying to see what kind of fit he'll be in their offense. Were to be far more structured than what he'd seen over five years, and.
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Woody Paige
He's 27 by.
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Ron Zappolo
27. And they pose a question to the both of you. Two questions. And I kind of like Jaylen Waddle. But I think they gave up a lot. A, if you were going to give up a first and a third, would you rather have Jaylen Waddle or would you rather have AJ Brown?
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Tom Green
Me, I like Waddle because I don't like the AJ Brown okay. So I think.
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Ron Zappolo
But do you think AJ Brown is a better wide receiver.
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Tom Green
Marginally.
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Ron Zappolo
Okay. The second thing is would you rather have given up a first or a third or would you? If you're looking to win a Super Bowl, would you rather have just signed Mike Evans or somebody of that ilk and just paid them a lot of money?
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Woody Paige
Okay, I'm not for the trade. First and third. That is quarterback kind of money that you're paying for a guy that you're going to deal for. You don't see that even for wide receivers who are the social leaders of the NFL these days in terms of I mean, you used to be running backs, right? And then it became wide receivers.
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Woody Paige
It seemed to me that there were enough guys out there that we had talked about a couple weeks ago. We, we discussed, a couple that were.
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Speaker 1
A lot of them.
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Ron Zappolo
And.
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Tom Green
And you would have liked them to make a deal, a different deal, and still have that 30th pick in the first.
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Ron Zappolo
Round, because I think that's valuable. Now, what they'll say is, hey, it's the 30th pick, you know.
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Woody Paige
Except a guy, they're really interested in it is possibly following that for his name is Rodriguez, a guy that I voted third in the Heisman Trophy who was at a position that they really need a linebacker, inside linebacker, not outside inside linebacker, but he's a great, pass rusher. He had led the league that led the nation, I think, in interceptions and had an incredible year.
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Woody Paige
That's why I voted him third in the Heisman Trophy. I just wanted to give a defensive player chance. But I think there's more value in the 30th than you giving credit for.
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Ron Zappolo
I'm not sure you do world trade in a way. High picks.
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Tom Green
Well, maybe they don't see much value in the 30th pick this year. Or clearly they don't.
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Woody Paige
They don't, but they see value and waddle apparently that he is a first class number one wide receiver for you.
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Ron Zappolo
And he's going to be paid like it.
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Tom Green
Well, they do have. I think that the value in him is that he is contract controlled. Now. It's an expensive contract for three years.
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Woody Paige
But this year that to us what is he getting?
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Tom Green
Well, it's going to be I think I think it's $55 million over three years. But this year, you know, it cost them less than $2 million on this year's salary. The next two years would be expensive. But if he has a great year and you don't want to pay him or something.
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Ron Zappolo
Yeah, I think the next two years, Tom, I think, I don't know, I think his salary cap hit is like $30 million.
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Tom Green
Yeah.
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Woody Paige
So he'll be a so we're we're back looking at a Russell Wilson kind of deal again. You're going to pile.
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Ron Zappolo
Up how much better than Courtland Sutton.
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Tom Green
Well he he had a similar year to Courtland Sutton. Fewer catches, fewer yards Miami was a trainwreck this year. The last couple years Miami's been a mess. And that's why I'm very curious to see what you know, what it looks like for him outside of what the Dolphins became. Remember how cool they were. Mike McDaniels came in, they were going to reinvent the wheel, and they had a year or two where they seemed to.
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Woody Paige
Be actually.
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Ron Zappolo
Like, I think he's a good wide receiver. I don't I.
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Woody Paige
Like him as a good wide receiver. I don't know, signing him as a free.
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Ron Zappolo
Agent, as a free agent. That's what I was going to.
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Woody Paige
Say, giving him a.
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Ron Zappolo
Three year for the price that you're paying is exorbitant.
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Woody Paige
And again, if you said, okay, we're going to sign him for $50 million for three years as a free agent, but you're paying him over $50 million and first and third, and you're going to be stuck on second and third with the big number. If you had said, we're going to pay him $50 million a year, that's a going rate.
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Woody Paige
I looked at that, that, that, that was, 13 to $14 million was what you were going to pay in AJ Brown or something like that. And this is confusing to me, but I would be told by Sean Payton that I don't understand the game. I don't get it. He would rather. But the person's, there's a couple of there's a radio talk show host and a guy who works for Fox Sports that I could call, and he'd probably tell me because Sean calls him before.
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Speaker 1
He.
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Woody Paige
Does anything else.
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Tom Green
So what what happens, though? Because this does change. What had been the narrative of the Broncos off season? It was a do nothing off season. They were the only team that hadn't signed an outside free agent. Still haven't sounded out, outside free agent. They've just paid their own guys. 94% of all the snaps taken this past year have been resigned for next year.
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Tom Green
It was one of the all time do nothing offseasons. And this will be this is the loudest noise the offseason has seen for the Broncos.
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Ron Zappolo
And there probably be the loudest noise of the offseason. Everything else will be their big moves. Were bringing in Jaylen Waddle and resigning Jake Dobbins. Yeah, and if you like that, great.
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Woody Paige
I said to you guys last week that they had to make a splash, that they didn't sign anybody. I this is the splash. A similar splash I think could be out there, but I don't think they're going to do it. I mean, a tight end that played for the Cleveland Browns had a pretty good career. The draft 7 or 8 years.
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Woody Paige
Yeah, I mean that that's a guy. How about a guy that actually is a joker? He played running back. He played wide receiver. He played
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Woody Paige
Return man for the 40 niners. One of the best players in the league at three different positions. And he's out there Deebo people. Yeah.
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Ron Zappolo
Deebo Terry somebody else is out there I mean Depot's definitely out there. I mean up until he got hurt. Brant a lot of people thought Brandon Isaac was going to be a terrific receiver. You can buy low on him. But again, they have decided whether we like it or not, that Jaylen Waddle was so much better than all the names that we've mentioned that he's worth giving up.
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Ron Zappolo
Two high draft picks for.
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Tom Green
What about the bet on Dobbins? Because it does seem like they're to gamble. But you know, if you go to the track and Danny's always told me you never go broke making a profit and then like he take small odds 2 to 1. And, you know, those little, little numbers add up after a while. But I always like, you know, I don't even look at a horse until it's like 6 to 1.
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Ron Zappolo
Well, you could go with him. You could go with the chopper traveling Negro, which is, if you ask chopper, how much did you make at the track today? He.
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Speaker 1
I made $2,000, kid.
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Ron Zappolo
And then Doug Moe would come over and say what he's leaving out is it cost him 4000 to make that 2000.
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Tom Green
So the bet on Dobbins is a longshot at best, don't you think? It's at least 5 to 1, if not 10 to 1, that he plays? And I'll accept.
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Woody Paige
I'll accept it if you get someone else that you can really depend on for another 7 or 8 games.
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Tom Green
With what they pay, you're not. They hate him.
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Ron Zappolo
Because their highest pick a year ago is RJ Harvey, and so he's the guy that they are going to depend on. If JK Dobbins gets hurt again.
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Tom Green
There are two things I'm I don't want to brag here, but that I'm great at, the NCAA tournament bracket. I always nail it. And then, you know, looking at the draft and now the Broncos, I believe have the 62nd pick will be their first pick. So I've been looking at it. I've got some good ideas. They're going to look for a young athletic, fast big guy who plays a lot of football.
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Ron Zappolo
Who falls to 62.
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Tom Green
Maybe. And maybe he'll be a downhill linebacker.
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Woody Paige
I'm sorry. What position.
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Tom Green
Is that? Oh, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know anything about him. I think he's going to be a guy with two.
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Woody Paige
But you go through the years of not having a number one draft pick because of Russell Wilson.
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Ron Zappolo
Then you've got.
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Woody Paige
Sean Payton. You don't have a third and now you're doing it again. No offense. Water doesn't come in with the same credentials that Russell Wilson came in with. Right? I mean you'd say oh that wasn't a bad trade. First, second and third. And what the two year.
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Tom Green
One two, three and a four.
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Woody Paige
Yeah, I feel it just,
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Ron Zappolo
Well, he's the number one receiver now. I don't care what Courtland Sutton thinks or says. When you get paid that much money, you're the number one.
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Tom Green
Well, he's he's certainly different. He you know he's 510 185 is a different kind of different.
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Woody Paige
Peyton loves.
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Tom Green
Tall. Yeah. Well you must love this guy, but he must.
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Ron Zappolo
He must not like slot wide receivers because I don't see one of those guys on the roster, but. Well, maybe we could call Brandon Stokely and see if he's got any football.
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Tom Green
Some slot talk. Get some talk about that.
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Woody Paige
Stokely came after me on the recent, Twitter.
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Ron Zappolo
I thought, would you come after you for.
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Woody Paige
This was the guy that I actually gave him the name of. Remember when he made the.
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Tom Green
The jug had the bounce catch up in Cincinnati? It wasn't that.
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Woody Paige
Immaculate.
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Tom Green
That was Josh McDaniels first game.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah.
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Woody Paige
And that that's totally I, you know, I played golf with him. I didn't know he was going to reach out and tell me I was wrong.
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Tom Green
Maybe he disagreed with something you said.
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Woody Paige
That's what he did. He's not allowed to do that. But I'm afraid now that we're going to hear we should.
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Ron Zappolo
I like Brandon, I did a show, dude. I didn't know him before the.
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Woody Paige
Zone right now, and he, Let's get him on.
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Speaker 1
A guy's.
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Woody Paige
A call Stokely.
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Ron Zappolo
And ask him.
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Tom Green
Do you think you're afraid to upset him? No, I'm. I'm afraid because I'm going to ask you to tell us a little bit about your friends at Redbird.
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Woody Paige
Oh, please do, because.
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Tom Green
Because they have joined us here. There. I been doing.
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Woody Paige
Research. I was googling it. I got all sorts of stuff, and and the thing about it is, I can't read for them.
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Ron Zappolo
Better get your glasses.
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Woody Paige
I don't need to do this. I. I was so impressed when we started talking to them. And because, as you pointed out, I'm a big fan of Redbirds, that's Louis, Louisville Cardinals Redbirds that are going into another great season. Louisville. But I didn't know much about this product until I go into restaurants or nice restaurants like Shanahan's in Ocean Prime.
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Woody Paige
And they didn't just say chicken on the menu, they'd say Redbird. And I went, wow, I never seen that port you wouldn't go into and forgive me, but you wouldn't go into, say, Morton's of Chicago and see on the think KFC chicken. I mean, really, you would just say chicken.
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Ron Zappolo
You're giving a lot of commercials for a lot of restaurants here. This is very good.
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Woody Paige
Maybe they might jump in. But what I found introducing myself to this chicken was this is what real chicken I should have. You had it? Yes. It's good. Really good.
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Tom Green
It's what I buy when I'm at the supermarket.
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Woody Paige
It's fresh from the farm. It is as fresh from the farm as when my grandmother lived and lived in Batesville, Mississippi. And she would have chickens ever live that morning?
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Speaker 1
That was. That was fresh from the. Keep digging. Yeah, right. That's about as fresh as you can get.
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Woody Paige
What the hell?
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Speaker 1
Yeah.
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Woody Paige
Well.
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Ron Zappolo
Yeah.
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Woody Paige
No antibiotics. It's gluten free. It's incredible chicken. And then what you're looking for in chicken is great taste. And that's what you got.
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Tom Green
Our friends at Redbird Farms, you can grill it and fry it. You can put it in.
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Ron Zappolo
Do you go to the supermarket?
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Tom Green
Yeah, I go all too often. I have a lot of free time.
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Woody Paige
And you can see it right there in front of you. And, you know, people that have done these commercials before, I have trust for. Right? Yeah. Lombardi. Not Vin.
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Tom Green
Vic and Terry and Terry the queen of chicken. Well, thanks to our friends at Redbird Farms, we appreciate them helping us out here. Well, let's get on to the avalanche.
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Ron Zappolo
And do we have two?
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Tom Green
Well, it's one of those things, you know, they've got a giant game coming up against Dallas. And they set the table by playing their worst game of the year Monday night. The Pittsburgh Penguins rolled into town and just crushed the Avs in every facet of the game. Afterwards, it was very clear that Jared Bednar used every word and every frame around soft without saying soft, but he did not like the way his team played.
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Tom Green
Neither did any of the fans. I think that was like I said.
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Ron Zappolo
Don't, can't. Yeah, you can call your team a lot of things. You can't call him.
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Tom Green
So he said they're all on the outside having a good time making an extra pass.
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Ron Zappolo
He don't shoot up to the line there. But listen the Avs have had a great year. They lose a couple games and me and everybody else acts like oh my God, they lost twice.
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Tom Green
Yeah.
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Ron Zappolo
A big game, but it's bigger than this game. Tomorrow night, Tom is just take a page out of the NBA's book. Just see them one through eight. Yeah, one plays a two plays in the wild in the avalanche. And the stars should not be meeting early in the Stanley Cup playoffs.
00;17;56;21 - 00;18;18;02
Tom Green
Not to the Western final. Oh yeah. That's a it's a shame. They, they have an interesting set up now because they've playing without Landeskog playing it out like and and Colton they're getting Logan O'Connor back. All these forwards have all been missing. And you look at without Landeskog I think they're eight and nine and two this year.
00;18;18;07 - 00;18;20;12
Tom Green
Which means with them they're like unbeaten.
00;18;20;13 - 00;18;21;19
Speaker 1
Yeah it well.
00;18;21;25 - 00;18;23;01
Tom Green
It talks about a guy.
00;18;23;05 - 00;18;30;08
Ron Zappolo
I like Gabe Milan and scoring a lot. I like him on a I don't know him. I just like him from afar. But he did play in the Olympics didn't he.
00;18;30;11 - 00;18;35;15
Tom Green
Yeah. And you know he came back and played again. But that's when he had that money. Got well he took the.
00;18;35;17 - 00;18;35;29
Ron Zappolo
Puck.
00;18;35;29 - 00;18;37;02
Tom Green
In the durable. Yeah.
00;18;37;03 - 00;18;39;16
Speaker 1
Yeah yeah yeah.
00;18;39;19 - 00;18;40;19
Tom Green
That can hurt.
00;18;40;21 - 00;18;41;08
Ron Zappolo
Yeah.
00;18;41;08 - 00;18;44;16
Tom Green
But he also he's one of those guys, you know, like in, in two guys who played.
00;18;44;18 - 00;18;55;20
Ron Zappolo
By the way playing the dirty C that hit on Auston Matthews the other night. Yeah. Not to get off track but shouldn't the. And the guy that did it I read about him has a long history.
00;18;55;20 - 00;18;57;25
Tom Green
Radko. Goodness. Yeah. Hey.
00;18;57;27 - 00;19;03;02
Ron Zappolo
Okay. Matthews is out for the season. Shouldn't this guy what's his name?
00;19;03;02 - 00;19;03;26
Tom Green
Radko. Gouda.
00;19;03;26 - 00;19;05;07
Ron Zappolo
Shouldn't he be out for the season?
00;19;05;08 - 00;19;06;03
Speaker 1
He. Yes.
00;19;06;05 - 00;19;06;26
Tom Green
He was also.
00;19;06;29 - 00;19;11;12
Woody Paige
Say that you should be out. Your suspension should be equal to.
00;19;11;15 - 00;19;15;27
Ron Zappolo
Especially when it's clear that it was a cheap but good guys out.
00;19;15;27 - 00;19;24;27
Woody Paige
Even for six, say six games in you. You're a guy who calls that is suspended six games. That's you know that's out of the Bible.
00;19;25;04 - 00;19;26;18
Speaker 1
Yeah. And I've.
00;19;26;19 - 00;19;27;12
Woody Paige
Heard I, I.
00;19;27;15 - 00;19;30;04
Tom Green
Know he's certainly one of the best players in the league.
00;19;30;05 - 00;19;33;04
Ron Zappolo
And I like in on a but that's just you can't do.
00;19;33;04 - 00;19;42;29
Woody Paige
That I'm listening to to you two guys and I go, this is just a slight letdown. You lose to the Winnipeg Jets okay. What happens and what this was A31 or 331.
00;19;42;29 - 00;19;43;16
Tom Green
It ended up.
00;19;43;17 - 00;19;44;15
Speaker 1
Yeah.
00;19;44;17 - 00;19;55;19
Woody Paige
I, I'm, I'm seeing a team that still sort of creating itself because of what, five different players that they brought in, at the trading deadline.
00;19;55;19 - 00;19;56;07
Speaker 1
Yeah.
00;19;56;10 - 00;20;24;16
Woody Paige
It's still a people will work in like this, a work in progress. That's what it is. Because this, I believe, is the best talent overall that they've had. I know last year they lost one of the best players in the league. But overall depth, specialty players, special teams, players, penalty kill players, forwards. You talked about they've got great depth.
00;20;24;18 - 00;20;29;05
Tom Green
Yeah. That's, I think it's going to be interesting because they have been so ineffective with the.
00;20;29;05 - 00;20;30;19
Woody Paige
Players so far ahead. They're good.
00;20;30;24 - 00;20;35;03
Ron Zappolo
And the Edge and Dallas both got killed the other night. Was it fair to say that they were both.
00;20;35;06 - 00;20;48;15
Tom Green
It looks like they were looking ahead. Looking ahead. Yeah. Well it's going to be a pivotal game if it ends in regulation. You know if it's a two point game like they instead of a three point game you know Dallas could get within one. The Avs could stretch it out to five.
00;20;48;18 - 00;21;01;01
Woody Paige
Who is it. Oh well let's talk about the Dallas Stars again. But who else out there just scares you to death about who they might face during the year? Yeah.
00;21;01;04 - 00;21;01;22
Ron Zappolo
I'll tell me.
00;21;01;22 - 00;21;02;22
Woody Paige
The wild.
00;21;02;24 - 00;21;03;29
Tom Green
Wild flag in a little bit.
00;21;03;29 - 00;21;08;25
Ron Zappolo
Right now. They are. They're struggling a little bit. But the wild in a short series.
00;21;08;27 - 00;21;09;07
Tom Green
Yeah.
00;21;09;07 - 00;21;19;13
Ron Zappolo
Can be difficult because they're a defensive team. They'll play that lock where they get up by a goal or two and you can't get any. It's just I wouldn't want to play them and let all I have to do the.
00;21;19;13 - 00;21;21;05
Tom Green
Absolutely the team everyone's scared. You know you.
00;21;21;05 - 00;21;31;25
Woody Paige
Talk about bet hard and and people go up and down on him. But he is quick to jerk a goalie out of I out of there. He did that.
00;21;31;28 - 00;21;32;10
Ron Zappolo
Yes.
00;21;32;10 - 00;21;39;14
Tom Green
Well last night he didn't do it because Wedgewood wasn't playing well. He did it to send a message to his team. They were allowing free runs.
00;21;39;14 - 00;21;40;00
Speaker 1
And yeah.
00;21;40;07 - 00;21;40;24
Woody Paige
So I.
00;21;40;25 - 00;21;45;25
Ron Zappolo
Like Jared Bednar a lot more than I like the other winter sport coach, which we can get to here.
00;21;45;26 - 00;22;09;01
Woody Paige
Well, I've told you guys I hate that. Remember not to do. You said it tell you, but I told you about three weeks ago. I hate this coaching staff. I have gone through the coaches that there's not one coach on the coaching staff that prior to four games before the end of last season as coach, more than 1 or 2 games in his entire career.
00;22;09;01 - 00;22;10;02
Tom Green
We've moved to the nugget.
00;22;10;02 - 00;22;16;16
Ron Zappolo
We're moving on to the nuggets. How about JJ Berry? I didn't even know he was on the staff until I was watching the Laker game.
00;22;16;18 - 00;22;26;08
Woody Paige
Why didn't you go get all of these? There's even one that's a commentator that is brothers an offensive coordinator for the Clippers.
00;22;26;08 - 00;22;29;09
Tom Green
Is it the defensive coordinator? Is this Jeff Van Gundy?
00;22;29;09 - 00;22;40;29
Woody Paige
Jeff and and I worked with, his brother and he was the head of not only the coach at Detroit, he was the general manager. He was the overall leader of the Detroit Pistons.
00;22;41;01 - 00;22;43;27
Ron Zappolo
Another Van Gundy Gundy's have a long history in the NBA. Successful.
00;22;43;28 - 00;22;55;17
Woody Paige
Why wouldn't you get one guy that's experienced with head coach? Because even your head coach coached for regular season games before the season, because.
00;22;55;17 - 00;22;58;02
Ron Zappolo
Josh Cronk is smarter than everybody else.
00;22;58;05 - 00;23;03;27
Tom Green
You know who's available, got a coach who's got a similar name is Mike Gundy. The old Oklahoma State man.
00;23;03;29 - 00;23;04;07
Speaker 1
I'm a.
00;23;04;07 - 00;23;06;07
Ron Zappolo
Man. I'm 40.
00;23;06;09 - 00;23;29;06
Tom Green
You go bring him in. But so what. Like let's talk about it. Because the nuggets posted some impressive wins. You know they blew out Houston. They they rallied a great comeback in San Antonio. And then they go and play an important game with the Lakers. They get beat most of the way. They rallied to take what looked to be a lead that would close the game out, and then they failed to close the game out and lost over.
00;23;29;09 - 00;23;36;20
Woody Paige
What is the overriding issue that you continue to see game after game?
00;23;36;22 - 00;23;39;02
Tom Green
Well, inability to close. That's that's it.
00;23;39;04 - 00;23;42;17
Woody Paige
That's it. And how important is that in the playoffs?
00;23;42;20 - 00;23;44;21
Tom Green
That's the whole thing. Yeah. Every game is.
00;23;44;21 - 00;23;46;14
Ron Zappolo
Going to be. And there's one more thing too.
00;23;46;22 - 00;23;47;11
Woody Paige
Did you think.
00;23;47;14 - 00;23;50;04
Ron Zappolo
They're not they're not a good defensive team.
00;23;50;07 - 00;23;50;22
Tom Green
They can't.
00;23;50;22 - 00;24;10;12
Ron Zappolo
Be. They're just not. And in the playoffs everything changes. Everybody's playing defense. Everybody's playing harder. In the playoffs the rotations shrink. You have to be able to defend in the playoffs. You look at the last five NBA champions they were all able to defend. And the nuggets don't defend well enough.
00;24;10;15 - 00;24;17;23
Woody Paige
Who would be the players if the playoffs started tomorrow? No. At the end of the week when people watch.
00;24;17;25 - 00;24;18;09
Ron Zappolo
Who would be.
00;24;18;09 - 00;24;19;04
Woody Paige
The eight would be the.
00;24;19;05 - 00;24;27;21
Ron Zappolo
Well, I would have originally put Valanciunas in there, but based on how, Adelman is using.
00;24;27;21 - 00;24;28;20
Tom Green
Him, he's not using it.
00;24;28;20 - 00;24;41;00
Ron Zappolo
He's not he's not playing any more. So if you're not going to play him, I guess you're going to go with Jokic Payton Watson if he's healthy Gordon Christian Braun and Jamal Murray. Those are your star.
00;24;41;00 - 00;24;42;06
Tom Green
Cam Johnson's off the.
00;24;42;13 - 00;24;55;21
Ron Zappolo
I put Cam Johnson off I bring cam Johnson on my bench with the Tim Hardaway and Bruce Brown. And Valanciunas the ninth guy. But watching the games for whatever reason Valanciunas doesn't play any.
00;24;55;21 - 00;24;58;28
Tom Green
So in the non Jokic minutes. You now have Aaron Gordon as center.
00;24;58;28 - 00;24;59;20
Ron Zappolo
As the center.
00;24;59;22 - 00;25;00;19
Tom Green
Okay.
00;25;00;22 - 00;25;02;00
Ron Zappolo
That's what they're doing.
00;25;02;04 - 00;25;03;24
Woody Paige
And they've done that in the past.
00;25;03;24 - 00;25;04;11
Tom Green
Yeah I had.
00;25;04;11 - 00;25;04;27
Woody Paige
Back to back.
00;25;04;27 - 00;25;12;12
Tom Green
It depends. It depends on the matchup. They put him out. It makes him better defensively because it does allow him to play five guys who can defend all those guys.
00;25;12;12 - 00;25;15;13
Woody Paige
They were developing that come and go. And you.
00;25;15;13 - 00;25;18;02
Ron Zappolo
Know Julian Strider Jalen Pickett.
00;25;18;02 - 00;25;18;13
Woody Paige
Another.
00;25;18;16 - 00;25;19;14
Ron Zappolo
Zeke Naji.
00;25;19;16 - 00;25;23;06
Woody Paige
No those guys are good. No. See a moment. Yeah probably not.
00;25;23;09 - 00;25;34;01
Tom Green
Well that that would be how it how it sets up I think tonight though is a great measuring stick because to see yo kitchen Embiid go head to head. You know it's always fun. Oh yeah it comes.
00;25;34;08 - 00;25;37;28
Ron Zappolo
Hey can I say one more thing though about the Laker game before we go on the road.
00;25;37;28 - 00;25;38;10
Woody Paige
Give up.
00;25;38;13 - 00;25;43;01
Ron Zappolo
You know what the Lakers won the game. Give them credit. They're on a roll I think they've won six.
00;25;43;02 - 00;25;43;21
Tom Green
They played hard.
00;25;43;22 - 00;25;57;07
Ron Zappolo
They played hard that that play never works that Austin Reed okay. That's number one. That play that ball has to come off perfectly. That's number one. So that play works. One out of the 40 purposely.
00;25;57;07 - 00;25;57;21
Tom Green
Missed free.
00;25;57;21 - 00;26;23;23
Ron Zappolo
Okay. The second thing is the easiest guy to block out is the shooter. And they blocked everybody else out except the shooter. That's number two. And number three. And I get this I'm a big NBA fan I don't I have the NBA league pass. I watch a ton of games. And I understand the great players get a a more of a latitude when it comes to the whistle.
00;26;23;25 - 00;26;48;16
Ron Zappolo
Luke Doncic pushed Spencer Jones off on that game winning shot. I've watched it now 20 times. It's clear that he takes his right forearm. You can see Jones clearly take a step back, which is all Luka needed to get it up. That's my third thing. And my fourth thing is watching that play again. If you want a double, Luka, that's cool.
00;26;48;16 - 00;27;02;01
Ron Zappolo
I'm all good with that. But Bruce Brown showed the double but didn't come all the way down. He took a few steps and then he stopped. If you want to, not if you want to make somebody else beat you, then really double.
00;27;02;02 - 00;27;02;19
Tom Green
Close it.
00;27;02;19 - 00;27;05;13
Ron Zappolo
Close it and get the ball out of his hands.
00;27;05;15 - 00;27;07;26
Tom Green
Well it it that's it's.
00;27;07;28 - 00;27;08;16
Ron Zappolo
Pick any of that.
00;27;08;17 - 00;27;12;23
Tom Green
But but Luka you know throwing that arm that's like he and Shea they they say.
00;27;12;27 - 00;27;14;10
Ron Zappolo
The same thing.
00;27;14;12 - 00;27;24;11
Woody Paige
Where did he learn it from? From the it. If I were in charge to the world in terms of basketball during the offseason, I'd go, this move.
00;27;24;13 - 00;27;25;17
Ron Zappolo
Is illegal.
00;27;25;19 - 00;27;26;18
Woody Paige
It's an offense.
00;27;26;21 - 00;27;30;03
Ron Zappolo
And you know, there's so many things wrong with the NBA and I love it so much.
00;27;30;03 - 00;27;31;26
Woody Paige
Jamal Murray is picking it up by the way.
00;27;31;26 - 00;27;34;27
Ron Zappolo
Oh by the way Jamal Murray played arguably his worst.
00;27;34;28 - 00;27;35;22
Tom Green
Was he one of the worst.
00;27;35;22 - 00;27;53;23
Ron Zappolo
Game he's ever played in his entire life. He was one of 14 fouled out. Here's another thing about the NBA that they gotta figure out a lot of things. They should do that in the off season. They should call in the top players and say, no more of this. And by the way guys, we got a great product here.
00;27;53;24 - 00;28;11;20
Ron Zappolo
This is really good. The fact that you guys bitch and moan over every call turns people off. Yeah Luka I'm looking at you and I'm looking at Jokic a lot of guys that but the top players there I'm so sick of watching guys make a shot. Think they get fouled put their hand.
00;28;11;22 - 00;28;12;01
Tom Green
In the.
00;28;12;01 - 00;28;13;09
Ron Zappolo
Air.
00;28;13;12 - 00;28;28;26
Woody Paige
I just want to say though I thought my friend Charles Barkley and we have been friends since he was in the Olympics said the greatest. He said, man, I hope the Lakers no witness. He said he doesn't know we'll hear about the next three days is how the Lakers, back in the here's pictures.
00;28;28;26 - 00;28;43;29
Ron Zappolo
Another problem with the NBA. So on a national television game which Jaylen Brown gets thrown out against the San Antonio Spurs, people want to watch Wembanyama Jaylen Brown and some young official steps in for no resources.
00;28;44;04 - 00;28;44;07
Tom Green
In.
00;28;44;07 - 00;28;54;15
Ron Zappolo
Front of the crew chief. And he tosses him out. Okay, you can argue that whatever the next two games, did you see how many free throws Jaylen Brown shot last.
00;28;54;15 - 00;28;55;01
Speaker 1
Night.
00;28;55;03 - 00;29;13;12
Ron Zappolo
21. He averaged six a game. He screams and yells and gets thrown on a national TV. He went to the line 21 times. If I'm Jaylen Brown I'm thinking that's exactly what I should do. Yeah make a point because then I'll get to the line that's the wrong name.
00;29;13;13 - 00;29;18;02
Tom Green
Had a bio, had his 36 of 43 from the free throw line and he's 82.
00;29;18;03 - 00;29;20;05
Woody Paige
That's just that was the biggest fraud.
00;29;20;11 - 00;29;21;10
Ron Zappolo
It was a farce.
00;29;21;10 - 00;29;35;16
Tom Green
But I mean, the way the game ended. But if you ever look at a box score and see somebody shooting 43 free throws, you have problems, of course, with the officiating. But you also wonder, so what are the Wizards doing? Like at some point these fouls would be.
00;29;35;16 - 00;29;37;10
Ron Zappolo
Holster A called it out with the Wizards.
00;29;37;10 - 00;29;50;00
Tom Green
But these fouls should be hard enough that he doesn't want to be down here anymore. If you're going to foul a guy 20 times, some of them have to make him change his mind about wanting to square up and shoot the basketball.
00;29;50;00 - 00;29;54;25
Ron Zappolo
But the Wizards I have the Wizards cashed out about three months ago.
00;29;54;27 - 00;29;55;06
Tom Green
Well.
00;29;55;06 - 00;29;57;19
Ron Zappolo
But hey, I looked at the box score last night.
00;29;57;21 - 00;29;59;20
Woody Paige
Did you watch the game, by the way, can I?
00;29;59;22 - 00;30;01;19
Tom Green
I watched the end of the game. Yeah.
00;30;01;25 - 00;30;06;06
Woody Paige
So I didn't watch it. I think it's a hoax. I think it didn't happen.
00;30;06;09 - 00;30;07;20
Ron Zappolo
Didn't I know.
00;30;07;22 - 00;30;12;20
Woody Paige
That was made up? Because there are people today that say that the world Chamberlain hunt.
00;30;12;22 - 00;30;12;29
Ron Zappolo
Didn't.
00;30;12;29 - 00;30;32;08
Woody Paige
Happen. Didn't happen because it happened in Hershey. It wasn't on TV. And the only reason you know, that it's 100 points is he's holding up a piece of paper that says 140 because they couldn't do anything else or anything. So I'm I'm not accepting this because that was you said it. It's a fraud. It's it's a for Willie.
00;30;32;10 - 00;30;35;24
Tom Green
Willie Knowles and Richie Garron say it happened because they watched it all.
00;30;35;27 - 00;30;37;08
Ron Zappolo
Tom Gola thought it happened.
00;30;37;10 - 00;30;39;18
Tom Green
And as a matter of fact, there were other players on.
00;30;39;18 - 00;30;43;08
Woody Paige
Well, you know, the second leading scorer. It's good trivia folks.
00;30;43;08 - 00;30;49;06
Ron Zappolo
Was it. Who was this guy Rodgers or was it was it was Sherry.
00;30;49;13 - 00;30;54;17
Woody Paige
The Irish coach Carmelo Allen.
00;30;54;18 - 00;30;55;09
Speaker 1
Al Adams.
00;30;55;10 - 00;30;57;09
Ron Zappolo
Had 30. I remember one of those guys and.
00;30;57;09 - 00;30;58;27
Woody Paige
He was the.
00;30;59;00 - 00;31;00;11
Ron Zappolo
Second former. Yeah.
00;31;00;11 - 00;31;05;15
Tom Green
Well I remember because how late in the game at a timeout looked at Will said hey man I'm open.
00;31;05;18 - 00;31;13;24
Ron Zappolo
I no I wouldn't have said it that way if you were ever around al Attles al would have said it in a more demonstrative way. And I think.
00;31;13;24 - 00;31;19;10
Woody Paige
He was six for six with a free throw. I think that's where the 13 points came from.
00;31;19;10 - 00;31;40;17
Tom Green
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00;32;31;00 - 00;32;42;13
Tom Green
Fellows, we turn to the NCAA tournament. The brackets. I you know, I usually win this pretty easily. You guys are big bracket players. No, you don't get with anybody. Nobody makes.
00;32;42;13 - 00;32;55;14
Ron Zappolo
You do. I mean, I do one once in a while. I have a friend of mine that runs a deal. Jelani and I do his. But I, and I watched a lot of college basketball this year, so I'm looking forward, to the tournament.
00;32;55;17 - 00;32;57;02
Tom Green
What do you ever do? Brackets.
00;32;57;02 - 00;32;59;11
Woody Paige
I had to do a bracket every year for.
00;32;59;13 - 00;33;00;22
Speaker 1
In this department.
00;33;00;27 - 00;33;31;02
Woody Paige
Yeah, yeah, for ESPN and, I'd watched the first round. Have a quick story. So, my friend has a is vice president of the casino. It at sports book at, at, Westgate. And so a guy comes in first opening weekend of NCAA reserves, a table he brings in 80,000 computer pages. He's got books and stuff like that.
00;33;31;04 - 00;33;43;02
Woody Paige
And so my friend Jay Kornegay grew up in Colorado, goes over to him at the end there, he says. So how was your day? He said, I lost every game. He said, that's hard. He lost every.
00;33;43;04 - 00;33;44;13
Ron Zappolo
Game.
00;33;44;15 - 00;34;00;26
Woody Paige
And a guy goes, yeah, yeah. He said, well, let me give you coupons for, you know, the steak house. We'll upgrade your room. He said, I'm trying to just make it. He said. You know, he said. I looked up at the scoreboard. I saw the LA Kings are playing. It's just starting, you know, last game of the night.
00;34;00;26 - 00;34;08;29
Woody Paige
And he said, well, why wanted you see if you can get a little bit of your money back there. Like he said, hockey. I don't know anything about hockey.
00;34;09;02 - 00;34;10;20
Speaker 1
He said oh what is you.
00;34;10;23 - 00;34;12;01
Woody Paige
Like you knew anything about.
00;34;12;01 - 00;34;14;02
Speaker 1
Basketball and anything about that was.
00;34;14;02 - 00;34;28;17
Woody Paige
The greatest betting line ever. Oh. So, yes, I have gone through where I've, when I was 22, I bet $25 on, like, eight teams, and I lost, like, seven out of the eight. And I've.
00;34;28;17 - 00;34;30;05
Tom Green
Never. It's fun. I mean, Thursdays.
00;34;30;08 - 00;34;36;08
Ron Zappolo
Give us a couple dark horses because we could all pick Arizona, Duke, Michigan, give us a couple of teams.
00;34;36;12 - 00;34;46;21
Woody Paige
I think I'm going to give you a couple that will play, Virginia and Tennessee play in about the third. They'll play in the third round. If you remember, Virginia had that slow down.
00;34;46;21 - 00;34;50;03
Tom Green
Yeah, it went 4846 actually won.
00;34;50;05 - 00;35;17;28
Woody Paige
Those are two of the best defensive teams in the country. Just great. And Tennessee's being overlooked. And they've gone to the Final Fours and Lee lead eight. And I know because I went there. But they've got a freshman that was gangs out balls out during the season. They got hurt. He came back to the SEC tournament and he is great though if he can average 20 points they're going to get it.
00;35;17;28 - 00;35;24;00
Woody Paige
So I'm giving you dark horses that played each other because one of them I think is going to go a long way.
00;35;24;01 - 00;35;26;01
Tom Green
That's far enough to go row.
00;35;26;03 - 00;35;28;18
Woody Paige
It's easy to go. I could go for Houston, Florida.
00;35;28;19 - 00;35;29;13
Ron Zappolo
Tony Bennett.
00;35;29;16 - 00;35;30;04
Speaker 1
Got all.
00;35;30;05 - 00;35;41;05
Woody Paige
I thought all along that Arizona was going to win the national championship. And Duke is the number one seed. But that's a little bit of, Arizona is the best team in the country.
00;35;41;07 - 00;35;52;23
Ron Zappolo
They probably are. But I will give you a couple dark horses. I've watched a ton of games this year. Yeah. Saint John's looks like a pretty decent team with Rick Pitino. Yeah, you can say what you want about Rick Pitino. He knows what he's doing.
00;35;52;23 - 00;35;53;12
Tom Green
They're playing good.
00;35;53;12 - 00;36;15;01
Ron Zappolo
They're playing. Yeah. They just beat UConn in the tournament. Big. I'd throw them out there. Here's another one that I'd throw out there John Calipari's Arkansas team surprised everybody. Ended up winning the Pitino and Calipari. Yeah I know it sounds I know, but these guys, they've been there before. I put a little, I put a little credence in that.
00;36;15;01 - 00;36;19;16
Ron Zappolo
I'll give you even a much darker horse. I like Utah State.
00;36;19;18 - 00;36;22;22
Tom Green
Oh, okay. That would be one of the darker horses.
00;36;22;22 - 00;36;27;18
Ron Zappolo
They've played really well, and I think the Mountain West is kind of an underrated.
00;36;27;18 - 00;36;33;10
Tom Green
No. I'll challenge you in one way. How the heck do you know anything about Utah State? You really watch them play?
00;36;33;10 - 00;36;33;27
Ron Zappolo
I've watched them.
00;36;33;27 - 00;36;34;21
Speaker 1
Play. Yeah.
00;36;34;21 - 00;36;36;11
Tom Green
Jeez. I've watched all the.
00;36;36;11 - 00;36;41;15
Ron Zappolo
Do you ever. Do you ever gambled 30 or 40 bucks on Utah State? You watched them play.
00;36;41;18 - 00;36;45;23
Woody Paige
The only way they can win is if the lights are turned out dark.
00;36;45;24 - 00;36;52;06
Ron Zappolo
Well, I'll make your prediction. Here's my one prediction Utah State in the first round is playing Villanova.
00;36;52;09 - 00;36;54;12
Tom Green
Out goes. Villa's an eight nine matchup.
00;36;54;14 - 00;36;56;24
Ron Zappolo
I've watched Villanova a half dozen times.
00;36;56;24 - 00;36;57;26
Tom Green
So Utah State's the nine.
00;36;57;26 - 00;37;00;15
Ron Zappolo
I presume Utah State's and I and I'll take Utah State.
00;37;00;18 - 00;37;03;17
Speaker 1
Well so you got a fair.
00;37;03;19 - 00;37;19;12
Tom Green
I you know what I was going to say. I've watched so little college basketball. And I think through the course of the year, I went from knowing the names of 2 or 3 players in the entire country. I think I'm up to six. It's just they don't nobody plays anywhere for 2 or 3 years. You never get to know guys.
00;37;19;12 - 00;37;38;02
Ron Zappolo
Every team is just a one year. I Tom, I went to Vegas a couple weeks ago and I went in there and I called my kid really follows it, and I said, here's some of the numbers. Give me a team. And I told him North Carolina was 100 to 1. He goes, oh, bet 20 bucks on that because they've got one of the best players in the country, Caleb Wilson.
00;37;38;04 - 00;37;48;12
Ron Zappolo
Well he broke his thumb and he's out for the year. So I think you do have to look at some of these teams that have great players. Kansas has a great guard Darren Peterson.
00;37;48;14 - 00;37;49;29
Tom Green
A mysterious.
00;37;49;29 - 00;37;54;06
Ron Zappolo
Guy. But he's already Kawhi Leonard. Yeah he plays when he wants.
00;37;54;06 - 00;37;55;01
Tom Green
Might be there might.
00;37;55;01 - 00;37;56;24
Ron Zappolo
Play maybe he plays maybe won't.
00;37;56;24 - 00;37;59;25
Tom Green
They. They had a big win without him though. Yes Arizona very.
00;37;59;25 - 00;38;09;09
Ron Zappolo
Big win without him. Oh I'll give you another guy who's a very good player. But you never know about his team is AJ demands at BYU. Tremendous player tremendous.
00;38;09;13 - 00;38;10;06
Tom Green
Competitor.
00;38;10;12 - 00;38;22;01
Ron Zappolo
A competitor he plays. Yeah but BYU sometimes has some. They just fall asleep and they lose. And I'll give you one more off the wall that I would say.
00;38;22;04 - 00;38;22;17
Woody Paige
This one.
00;38;22;19 - 00;38;23;24
Ron Zappolo
Santa Clara.
00;38;23;27 - 00;38;32;10
Woody Paige
Santa Clara, I thought you were going to name another team from Utah. You know, basketball hotbed Utah.
00;38;32;13 - 00;38;37;05
Tom Green
Well, Santa Clara, this is your night, players. You're up late at night watching the West Coast.
00;38;37;05 - 00;38;37;22
Ron Zappolo
I do some.
00;38;37;22 - 00;38;41;11
Woody Paige
Things. The last time BYU had a great player.
00;38;41;13 - 00;38;42;01
Ron Zappolo
Danny, Danny.
00;38;42;01 - 00;38;43;14
Tom Green
Ainge, Sean Bradley.
00;38;43;14 - 00;38;45;21
Ron Zappolo
Sean Bradley, RJ, the band.
00;38;45;21 - 00;38;47;05
Tom Green
So that does not do.
00;38;47;07 - 00;38;57;07
Ron Zappolo
The Santa Clara is pretty good. They beat Gonzaga, they beat Saint Mary's and Gonzaga in Saint Mary's. And Gonzaga's got a team that could win the national title.
00;38;57;07 - 00;38;58;07
Tom Green
The zags I.
00;38;58;10 - 00;39;00;15
Ron Zappolo
Know they only lost like four games all year.
00;39;00;17 - 00;39;04;08
Tom Green
I can't believe they've they've overcome drew Timmy leaving after 11 years.
00;39;04;08 - 00;39;07;20
Woody Paige
I want to go there. I'm gonna give you Iowa State. It's really.
00;39;07;25 - 00;39;10;03
Ron Zappolo
Iowa State basketball Iowa State's and my.
00;39;10;03 - 00;39;12;02
Tom Green
Wife's alma mater I watch them, they're pretty.
00;39;12;02 - 00;39;21;03
Ron Zappolo
You know what they're pretty good. Yeah. And again, you know what that mid, middle of the country Iowa State Nebraska had a good team.
00;39;21;04 - 00;39;22;24
Tom Green
Purdue is come a deuce.
00;39;22;24 - 00;39;30;22
Ron Zappolo
Come along. They got those two big white stiffs but but they're pretty good Nebraska started out great Fred Hoiberg got them out to.
00;39;30;22 - 00;39;31;19
Tom Green
Like they were something.
00;39;31;21 - 00;39;40;18
Ron Zappolo
No no start. And then they've lost a few. And they're certainly not going in with a lot of momentum. But Iowa State they've had some big wins this year.
00;39;40;24 - 00;39;41;13
Tom Green
Let me just throw.
00;39;41;20 - 00;39;44;26
Woody Paige
You you got to go with one of the Hurley's.
00;39;44;29 - 00;39;46;04
Speaker 1
Yeah well well.
00;39;46;04 - 00;39;46;29
Tom Green
If you're going to go with it you're.
00;39;46;29 - 00;39;53;07
Ron Zappolo
Going to go with one go with them. Might have to go with them because Bobby's got two feet out the door.
00;39;53;09 - 00;39;54;18
Speaker 1
Well I love.
00;39;54;25 - 00;39;56;07
Ron Zappolo
He said hey.
00;39;56;10 - 00;39;58;00
Tom Green
So I will I will, but.
00;39;58;03 - 00;39;59;15
Ron Zappolo
I didn't do I've always liked.
00;39;59;15 - 00;40;01;00
Tom Green
Bob but Arizona State is.
00;40;01;00 - 00;40;04;22
Ron Zappolo
They bought they called Bobby in and they said, coach we got bad news.
00;40;04;24 - 00;40;09;09
Speaker 1
For you. I will.
00;40;09;10 - 00;40;11;15
Tom Green
I will take Arizona, but I don't know anything about it.
00;40;11;17 - 00;40;13;29
Ron Zappolo
Okay. Tell them it's easy, okay? I don't take care.
00;40;13;29 - 00;40;21;00
Tom Green
Of what they say now. They. Because I'm not an expert. They say now the chalk is stronger than it used to be.
00;40;21;00 - 00;40;22;08
Woody Paige
In the 12.
00;40;22;10 - 00;40;27;11
Tom Green
Year right back. But I think the last few years the trending is going towards chalk.
00;40;27;12 - 00;40;43;09
Ron Zappolo
I will say that you're right, but I also think that this year watching college basketball, there's a lot of teams. Okay, they can take down a Duke and Arizona. I've watched them lose. I watched them lose to teams that weren't that good.
00;40;43;11 - 00;40;46;22
Woody Paige
I have great respect for you. I even bought a pair of shoes.
00;40;46;22 - 00;40;49;24
Ron Zappolo
Like, well, you just stop there and you see respect for me.
00;40;49;24 - 00;40;51;26
Tom Green
That's not qualify it. Just leave it.
00;40;51;27 - 00;40;54;12
Ron Zappolo
I have great respect for you too.
00;40;54;15 - 00;40;55;16
Woody Paige
Okay?
00;40;55;18 - 00;40;58;21
Speaker 1
You only hold about, is that it? I don't know, but there you.
00;40;58;28 - 00;41;01;01
Ron Zappolo
I was trying to intercept it before I.
00;41;01;01 - 00;41;06;24
Woody Paige
There are no Cinderellas this year. This is Cinderellas don't win anymore.
00;41;06;24 - 00;41;08;02
Tom Green
We got to get to baseball.
00;41;08;02 - 00;41;15;06
Ron Zappolo
But I'm not used to the fact of the fact that Cinderellas don't win anymore makes the tournament. Not as much.
00;41;15;06 - 00;41;16;07
Tom Green
Yeah, it's not. I know.
00;41;16;14 - 00;41;16;29
Woody Paige
You want.
00;41;16;29 - 00;41;19;23
Ron Zappolo
To steam. You want to. Homer drew you.
00;41;19;23 - 00;41;21;02
Tom Green
You want Richmond sweater.
00;41;21;03 - 00;41;24;01
Ron Zappolo
You let me see. You want rich school.
00;41;24;01 - 00;41;24;11
Woody Paige
Out of.
00;41;24;15 - 00;41;25;17
Ron Zappolo
George Mason.
00;41;25;17 - 00;41;28;06
Woody Paige
Chicago. Loyola.
00;41;28;08 - 00;41;29;24
Tom Green
Loyola the sister?
00;41;29;27 - 00;41;30;06
Woody Paige
Yeah.
00;41;30;06 - 00;41;30;27
Tom Green
100 year old.
00;41;30;28 - 00;41;31;26
Ron Zappolo
Yes.
00;41;31;28 - 00;41;50;13
Tom Green
Hey, I want to get to baseball because the World Baseball Classic has been terrific. But one last college basketball thing. Thank you to the CSU and C women's teams for making their tournaments, because otherwise you state another shutout. It's just another irrelevant year for college basketball here in Colorado. And it's a shame. Yeah.
00;41;50;13 - 00;41;51;29
Woody Paige
Why can't we be like Utah?
00;41;52;04 - 00;41;53;02
Speaker 1
Yeah. Okay.
00;41;53;03 - 00;41;56;12
Ron Zappolo
You you're not as good when it comes to basketball. Apparently you don't.
00;41;56;12 - 00;41;56;22
Tom Green
Want to have.
00;41;56;23 - 00;41;57;26
Woody Paige
BYU.
00;41;57;28 - 00;41;59;25
Ron Zappolo
Or ski resorts.
00;41;59;28 - 00;42;10;21
Tom Green
United States and Venezuela in the World Baseball Classic final tonight. Ron, the, United States, knowing it is for it all, is decided to send out who to pitch.
00;42;10;28 - 00;42;14;25
Ron Zappolo
What's his name? Nolan. Lane. I'm, is it Nolan McClain?
00;42;14;25 - 00;42;17;29
Tom Green
I think so, because I told you before. John McClane from.
00;42;17;29 - 00;42;19;10
Speaker 1
No.
00;42;19;12 - 00;42;21;07
Tom Green
Dummy Towers.
00;42;21;09 - 00;42;28;02
Ron Zappolo
He he couldn't. He he lost his fastball. I didn't know who he was, before the tournament started.
00;42;28;04 - 00;42;33;28
Tom Green
Right. He had to. He started the game against Italy. They got beat. That was his, Well, first got him.
00;42;34;00 - 00;42;46;22
Ron Zappolo
Eduardo Rodriguez is going from Venezuela. I do know who he is. He's a veteran guy. He's bounced around the major leagues. Boston, Detroit, Arizona. I looked at the Venezuela lineup last night.
00;42;46;24 - 00;42;50;10
Tom Green
It's real. Well, includes, the Rockies. Ezequiel Tovar.
00;42;50;10 - 00;42;52;05
Ron Zappolo
Ronald Acuna jr.
00;42;52;08 - 00;43;01;05
Woody Paige
I just thought he was, with USA playing Venezuela tonight. They were going to throw out everything. It's in more chips.
00;43;01;08 - 00;43;03;05
Speaker 1
You know Jerome, you know.
00;43;03;07 - 00;43;09;07
Ron Zappolo
They they could try and capture our president and take him to Venezuela. But that's another.
00;43;09;10 - 00;43;18;03
Tom Green
That would that would be another thing. Hey, by the way, for the United States to get there, they had that great game with the Dominican Republic that ended on ball four.
00;43;18;04 - 00;43;19;07
Woody Paige
Yeah, that was terrible.
00;43;19;07 - 00;43;32;17
Tom Green
And that, you know, that's happened in baseball in a million different times where a call's going to run from Don Duncan Jr to Armando Galarraga losing a perfect game, a game. There's Jim Joyce, maybe I forget the.
00;43;32;17 - 00;43;33;02
Ron Zappolo
Wisdom.
00;43;33;02 - 00;43;43;14
Tom Green
Joyce was it. Yeah. But now. So with AB's available but not in the World Baseball Classic. That would have been a very, very interesting moment for AB's.
00;43;43;14 - 00;43;55;27
Woody Paige
But why didn't they go ahead and do it? Because baseball's doing it this year I know. And we're basically in control of the World Baseball Classic. No matter what else you say, they're playing all the games here except for a couple of other places, Japan, and.
00;43;55;27 - 00;44;02;22
Ron Zappolo
They're playing all the games here. But from everything I read, that'll be a pro Venezuelan crowd down there in my shirt tonight.
00;44;02;22 - 00;44;03;13
Tom Green
I would think so.
00;44;03;13 - 00;44;04;24
Ron Zappolo
It has been up in Houston.
00;44;04;28 - 00;44;14;02
Woody Paige
Whoever's played in Houston that's not from this country has been there. But yeah. Who are you pulling bought Venezuela.
00;44;14;04 - 00;44;19;26
Ron Zappolo
Am I going to have my car firebombed for that? Who are you pulling for?
00;44;19;29 - 00;44;25;10
Speaker 1
Yeah. Thank you I because I who are you pulling for? I'm October. Oh.
00;44;25;13 - 00;44;26;25
Ron Zappolo
Hey. I'm rooting for Wilson.
00;44;26;27 - 00;44;27;22
Woody Paige
Who was later.
00;44;27;23 - 00;44;28;21
Ron Zappolo
A brave okay.
00;44;28;24 - 00;44;31;02
Woody Paige
Great Rockies player from Venezuela.
00;44;31;04 - 00;44;32;03
Ron Zappolo
I'm just Galarraga.
00;44;32;03 - 00;44;32;20
Tom Green
The big cat.
00;44;32;20 - 00;44;33;04
Speaker 1
Would be the big.
00;44;33;04 - 00;44;37;11
Ron Zappolo
Cat. Whoa. Was there one after this? The big captains, the great, the left fielder.
00;44;37;18 - 00;44;38;15
Woody Paige
Right fit right.
00;44;38;16 - 00;44;38;29
Tom Green
Para.
00;44;39;03 - 00;44;40;05
Ron Zappolo
Carlos Gonzalez.
00;44;40;05 - 00;44;40;15
Woody Paige
Yes.
00;44;40;15 - 00;44;42;22
Speaker 1
Park got all those guns out.
00;44;42;24 - 00;44;49;04
Woody Paige
Galarraga was his hero. And I would imagine Tovar idolized both of those guys. Yeah.
00;44;49;04 - 00;44;56;26
Ron Zappolo
So there may never have been a nicer athlete to come through our dusty old cowtown than Andrus Galarraga.
00;44;56;26 - 00;45;20;12
Tom Green
So this is interesting because we went through the Four Nations a couple of years ago and then the Olympics, and people dive into this hockey outside of the NHL and the WBC for all of its issues, from Tarik Skubal to all the other pitching problems that it presents by being played in March, I think more people like the WBC than they're going to like the first 3 or 4 months of the Major League Baseball.
00;45;20;13 - 00;45;31;28
Ron Zappolo
I got to say, I'm impressed with the WBC for a lot of reasons, and one of them is it is clear to me, just like the hockey tournament, how much this means to the players.
00;45;31;28 - 00;45;33;01
Tom Green
Intense.
00;45;33;03 - 00;45;49;13
Ron Zappolo
It's game. Ronald Acuna last night after beating out that ground ball and he ran like a hundred yards past Vajpayee, and after the game he says nothing against the Atlanta Braves. I love the Atlanta Braves. But this is way more.
00;45;49;13 - 00;45;50;27
Woody Paige
Important but way.
00;45;50;27 - 00;45;52;19
Ron Zappolo
More important. And I'm thinking judge.
00;45;52;19 - 00;45;54;03
Tom Green
He said the same thing about the vibe.
00;45;54;03 - 00;46;18;18
Ron Zappolo
Yeah, but it's only a ten day tournament. The starting pitchers can't go. Everybody's on a pitch count. Mason Miller may not be available tonight for the U.S. team, so it's not being played the way a World Series should be played, because the starting pitching is been relegated to about four innings.
00;46;18;18 - 00;46;20;15
Tom Green
And yet you still have two one games.
00;46;20;18 - 00;46;23;17
Ron Zappolo
You do because these bullpen guys come in and they're good.
00;46;23;17 - 00;46;24;28
Tom Green
Everyone throws 95 or.
00;46;24;28 - 00;46;28;23
Ron Zappolo
100, everybody throws 100 coming out of the bullpen. But they're all bullpen games.
00;46;28;27 - 00;46;29;06
Speaker 1
Yeah.
00;46;29;13 - 00;46;53;16
Woody Paige
And the other thing that I'm hearing, not from my neighbors, but just in the world, is that people finally are interested in the way the baseball is played in other countries. Yeah. They said, and enthusiasm. Exactly. Guess what happens when they show that enthusiasm in games here? The dugouts break out. Yeah, because you're not supposed to play the game that way.
00;46;53;18 - 00;47;06;01
Woody Paige
Don't show me telling you that in places like the Dominican Republic or like Venezuela, even Brazil, Japan, they play with the exuberance that we don't see in this country that you're supposed to.
00;47;06;01 - 00;47;12;17
Tom Green
Be every part of the stands, that those games that are played, it's like a Coors Field party deck, except they're watching the.
00;47;12;17 - 00;47;13;07
Speaker 1
Game.
00;47;13;09 - 00;47;19;29
Ron Zappolo
But you see it more even in the major leagues today. You see it more with the Latin players. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, and I do see it.
00;47;19;29 - 00;47;22;08
Woody Paige
That's not the way you played the game.
00;47;22;11 - 00;47;35;17
Tom Green
They think it's hot dog. Yeah you play but down there it's passion. It's passion. It's like I'm playing my best. All right that's it. We're going to look forward to the United States and Venezuela Joel Embiid back in Denver tonight.
00;47;35;17 - 00;47;37;10
Woody Paige
Did he pull no. Well okay.
00;47;37;11 - 00;47;40;24
Ron Zappolo
He didn't say I don't want to. Do you want to commit with me and Woody.
00;47;40;26 - 00;47;47;02
Tom Green
No because I go pitch to pitch player good player. They're big guys I like on both teams. And when that guy is up or when that guy is pitching.
00;47;47;02 - 00;47;51;05
Woody Paige
I'm also in the night inning with tied. You're not even dead. Take a side. Okay.
00;47;51;07 - 00;47;52;10
Ron Zappolo
All right. But do you want.
00;47;52;15 - 00;47;53;22
Tom Green
Who's pitching the who?
00;47;53;23 - 00;47;56;01
Woody Paige
Can we do a show with the other top?
00;47;56;03 - 00;47;58;22
Speaker 1
I think so,
00;47;58;25 - 00;48;04;05
Tom Green
The guy who actually has an opinion. Oh, I just there's so few things I feel it worth.
00;48;04;08 - 00;48;09;09
Ron Zappolo
So if it's Mason Miller tonight going up against Wilson.
00;48;09;09 - 00;48;10;18
Tom Green
Contrary two to game.
00;48;10;21 - 00;48;12;26
Ron Zappolo
Two to game, ninth inning.
00;48;12;28 - 00;48;17;02
Tom Green
So if he gets him out, we go. Extras. Then I'd be rooting for extras.
00;48;17;02 - 00;48;17;11
Ron Zappolo
Okay.
00;48;17;19 - 00;48;19;20
Tom Green
See? See, it's all you're rooting for.
00;48;19;20 - 00;48;21;03
Ron Zappolo
The story. It's. Yeah.
00;48;21;04 - 00;48;22;01
Tom Green
I'm always there. Just.
00;48;22;03 - 00;48;23;14
Speaker 1
Okay.
00;48;23;17 - 00;48;28;18
Tom Green
I just think I think I ruined it for you guys. I was for the Dominican Republic.
00;48;28;18 - 00;48;31;19
Woody Paige
I'd like to see Venezuela win one.
00;48;31;21 - 00;48;32;04
Ron Zappolo
It would be.
00;48;32;04 - 00;48;34;27
Woody Paige
Compared to what? This this year. They'll.
00;48;34;28 - 00;48;36;19
Tom Green
They'll be going full force.
00;48;36;20 - 00;48;39;18
Speaker 1
They've got a rough year.
00;48;39;20 - 00;48;42;21
Tom Green
Who are you for? You can drop us a line.
00;48;42;23 - 00;48;44;06
Woody Paige
I gotta go back now.
00;48;44;08 - 00;48;54;00
Tom Green
You can always reach us. Just send us a note at eight at Gorilla Sportsnet. Thanks for tuning in. Of course. We're back here again next week with another edition of After the Horn.
00;48;54;02 - 00;48;54;16
Woody Paige
Thanks.