Woody Paige, Tom Green, and Ron Zappolo return for another After the Horn: Weekend Betting Edition — breaking down the biggest college and NFL matchups with laughs, insight, and a few wild betting takes. From Vanderbilt’s improbable run to whether the Broncos can survive without Pat Surtain II, the guys bring sharp picks and classic banter.
Woody, Tom, and Ron kick things off with hilarious stories about meeting Ted Williams and Frank Gifford before jumping into a loaded weekend slate. The conversation covers everything from Vanderbilt’s Diego Pavia becoming a surprise Heisman contender to the Georgia–Florida rivalry, Tennessee’s playoff hopes, and why Woody still can’t stand Vanderbilt.
They shift to the NFL with in-depth talk on the Patriots’ turnaround, Josh McDaniels’ redemption, and the “perfect bet” in Colts–Steelers. Then, it’s all about Denver: can the Broncos’ hot streak continue in Houston without Pat Surtain II? The crew wraps with MVP favorites, Super Bowl value picks, and Woody’s latest chalkboard gem about selling his car to buy gas.
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Tom Green
Welcome to After the Horn, the weekend betting edition. This has been very successful so far. Many of the people who followed our advice are living.
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Tom Green
In success or, well, many.
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Tom Green
The people have listened to our betting advice. Many are living in Monte Carlo and some are living in their Monte Carlo.
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Tom Green
So you.
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Tom Green
Might want to be wary and take our advice at your.
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Woody Paige
Own.
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Tom Green
Peril. So let's go down the board. Let's see some of the big games that we got.
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Ron Zappolo
And I love this game. I'm on the Vandy bandwagon the last two weeks wins over LSU and Missouri. And by the way, did either of you guys see the end of the Vanderbilt Missouri game.
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Tom Green
Did not.
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Ron Zappolo
It was unbelievable. Vanderbilt up 1710 Missouri with the Hail Mary. That is incomplete. But after about a 45.
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Woody Paige
Second break.
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Ron Zappolo
The referee says the last play is under review. They go back and look. The Missouri receiver catches the ball and he is literally half a foot from the goal man. And that is a tough way to lose a game.
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Tom Green
So this game is going to be interesting to handicap. This line has been moving a great deal. Some of that may be based on arch manning and concussion protocol. But it's funny because if you saw this game a month or two ago, you'd say, oh, man. Arch. Manning. Arch. Manning. Arch. Manning. How about Diego Pavia? Diego Pavia, Diego Pavia, that Vanderbilt quarterback and the Commodores are rolling.
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Tom Green
I like them to go in there and beat Texas. Texas. You know, this isn't a perfect Texas team. And Vanderbilt's got something going on.
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Ron Zappolo
I'm going to agree with Tom I like Vandy, I'll take the point in a half.
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Woody Paige
I'm not going to take Texas. I hate Vanderbilt. I couldn't afford to go to Vanderbilt. I grew up in Tennessee. I couldn't afford Vanderbilt. I only had two choices because I didn't will pay out of state right now. I my dad bought and got a penny out of state tuition. And so I had two choices Tennessee and Vanderbilt.
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Woody Paige
And so I go to Tennessee. This has nothing to do with this game.
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Tom Green
I say this is how your handicapping the game. Story time here. Yeah. Yes.
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Woody Paige
Yes, I go to Tennessee and I always hated Vanderbilt as a result of it. And they've been lousy forever.
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Tom Green
Yeah.
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Woody Paige
They gotta lose to somebody.
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Tom Green
I, I, they don't I would take Texas, except I really dislike Ernie Koy.
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Tom Green
So, so so.
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Tom Green
That's why I'm going there. All right. Later in the day, this of course, the big cocktail party. Florida with a coaching change.
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Ron Zappolo
This is the world's largest outdoor cocktail.
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Tom Green
Party in Jacksonville.
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Woody Paige
Okay, but they announced two years ago that they wouldn't call it that. Right?
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Tom Green
So I did the.
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Woody Paige
Unofficial.
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Ron Zappolo
World's largest outdoor.
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Tom Green
Cocktail. Georgia's obviously the better football team. It becomes a matter of playing the number and trying to figure out where Florida is after Napier got. Got the.
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Ron Zappolo
Idea. Well, they're down there in Gainesville.
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Tom Green
I think the game's in Jacksonville.
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Ron Zappolo
It's in Jacksonville.
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Woody Paige
Florida. Yeah, yeah.
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Ron Zappolo
You know what I'm going to take I'm going to take Georgia. I'm going to lay the.
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Tom Green
Points to.
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Tom Green
Cover that number.
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Woody Paige
Yeah. There's nobody so stupid in this room.
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Woody Paige
It's like Florida. Tell me who the Florida coaches.
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Ron Zappolo
I don't hear.
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Woody Paige
He's taken over.
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Tom Green
He's an Urban Meyer's protege. When they were when they were Aaron Hernandez Gators. Oh, Billy Gonzalez, I believe, is the interim head coach. Oh, thank God in Florida. And on his way into the College Football Hall of Fame, if he can win this game and the rest of them in his head coaching career. Yeah. This is a hard game to handicap if you want to take.
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Tom Green
If you want to take those points, it's a big swallow. So I'll go with you guys. Take Georgia.
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Tom Green
Oh, here you go. Here you go. There you go.
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Ron Zappolo
What is going to leave this one to you?
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Tom Green
All right. Your boys, your boys from Tennessee, hosting Oklahoma, the Josh Heupel Bowl. Some call.
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Woody Paige
This. Well, I'm. I'm spending my too many hours of my day trying to figure out how Tennessee's going to get in the top 12. And if you look, they're 14. So they got to win. The rest of them. They've got Vanderbilt still on the grudge. Yeah. Wow. And Oklahoma's not very good. They're not even though they're six and two.
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Tom Green
Are you talking yourself into Tennessee?
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Woody Paige
Of course I'm sure.
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Ron Zappolo
There's a dog bark.
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Woody Paige
Only two and a half.
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Tom Green
Two and a half.
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Ron Zappolo
He's right about one thing. Guess what? This is not a classic Oklahoma team.
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Tom Green
No. And their quarterback, who was one of the. We're going to talk Heisman in a little bit. But meteor was one of those guys that people thought was Heisman bound. And then they ran into Ole Miss.
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Woody Paige
The Heisman Trophy is there are two things that the MVP in the NFL and that and the Heisman Trophy are up in the air.
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Tom Green
Anybody, anybody, any the next the next month my defender.
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Ron Zappolo
Bill keeps winning. Their quarterback is going to have a leg up.
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Tom Green
You like to think of Oklahoma as.
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Woody Paige
Being.
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Tom Green
So good.
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Woody Paige
There we.
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Tom Green
Go. But real quick before we finish into that, that Neyland Stadium can be a very difficult place to play. A little.
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Woody Paige
For Tennessee.
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Tom Green
Yeah. For for either team. So when we talk about the Heisman, it's going to be interesting to see how this plays up because right now, Fernanda Mendoza from Indiana is considered the betting favorite. Ty Simpson from Alabama, second Ohio State. So Julian saying and then Diego Pavia at the bottom of the board, I think is a pretty interesting choice as a value.
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Ron Zappolo
As a gambler. That's a great value pick to take Diego Pavia at plus 700. I think.
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Woody Paige
That's the reason why you guys who do it in this show.
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Ron Zappolo
Because you don't know what we're talking about.
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Woody Paige
Retired and had more money to gamble.
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Tom Green
He made some good.
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Tom Green
Bets ever.
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Woody Paige
Like Diego. But Varela, please give me. Well.
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Tom Green
You're right, you're you're just so, aren't I? Vanderbilt. Yeah. Anything. Vanderbilt.
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Ron Zappolo
You know, like I'm watching that college game they last week and they're holding up signs for they're quoting Nick Saban as saying Vanderbilt's the only place that's an easy game on the road in the SEC. And he finally had to admit that not anymore I'm glad I'm not coach.
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Woody Paige
Of, number two team in the country. Chances of being number one. Yep. When the season is over. Quarterback for that team. A guy that just keeps being solid week after week after.
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Tom Green
We put a in on UCLA. I don't we don't know if you.
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Ron Zappolo
Have to root for Indiana.
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Tom Green
I would it was so funny because someone said even if it was two years ago, much less 20 years ago, if someone came up to you in the summer and said, Indiana and Vanderbilt are going to run the college football world.
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Tom Green
Really? Oh, okay.
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Tom Green
Really? Well, what what planet is that?
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Woody Paige
You know, both to reply would have been, was that'll happen the today they start paying guys.
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Tom Green
Like college football.
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Tom Green
So I just, not so much handicapping who will win. But as far as the bet on the Heisman, I I'd go with Pavia at that.
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Ron Zappolo
I would do that's complete.
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Woody Paige
Well you know the check back.
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Ron Zappolo
No. Oh no.
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Tom Green
They win. Nobody gets to check back on this stuff. All right. One more game in the evening. A surprisingly big game. Two teams in the top 25. Cincinnati's got some big wins. They lost their opener, to Nebraska, which isn't a good, good sign. But Utah coming off their pasting of the Colorado Buffaloes. You an up and down?
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Ron Zappolo
I'm impressed at your college football knowledge. You you have a little bit of knowledge on all.
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Tom Green
Let me tell you something. I went to college for over a year.
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Tom Green
Yeah. So I'm pretty sure.
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Ron Zappolo
I'm pretty good on this, aren't you? I'm going to take Utah. I like the job that Kyle Whittingham done there.
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Tom Green
But you get a nine and a half.
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Ron Zappolo
Well, hey, they got enough points left over from last week. They they should have stopped at 30 and saved a little. Saved a few points. They're good. They're well coached. They gave BYU which I think is the sneaky best team in the country. All they wanted two weeks ago Cincinnati seven and one. But I don't know that they've gone up against the A team as well.
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Ron Zappolo
Coaches Utah I'm going to take the Utes.
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Woody Paige
I don't understand why this is listed.
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Tom Green
Well, it's a late game. You know how everyone has to beat a late game after they lose all the early game?
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Ron Zappolo
The late game is after you've lost your ass in the early games. You need to get a head right game.
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Woody Paige
I had a I have a friend who runs a, one of the biggest bookies in Las Vegas, and he said, this guy bet eight basketball games during the NCAA and he had a reserve table. He had thousands of sheets of paper and everything. And at the end of the day, he went over to him, said, so how did you do today?
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Woody Paige
He said, I, I lost every one of them. You said you lost all eight. He said, yeah, I lost all eight to me. And I'm he said, let me give you dinner. He said, he said, look up there, there's a game. There's the there's a Kings game. Los Angeles Kings hockey game. The left to the guy on TV.
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Woody Paige
I can't bet hockey. I don't know.
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Tom Green
Yeah, yeah. Stick with what you know. Oh, for eight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
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Woody Paige
I thought that was a funny line of what I was this. I don't care what time of night. I don't care about Cincinnati. Utah. I don't want to bet it. I don't know anything about it. No, Cincinnati has surprised me because I didn't think they were any good and that they're, you know, after losing to Nebraska, you know, they can't be any good this year.
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Woody Paige
You're you're picking Utah because.
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Ron Zappolo
I'm picking Utah because.
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Woody Paige
Of Colorado.
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Ron Zappolo
I've watched them twice now. I watched them against BYU. That's the I was more sold on. I'm going to.
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Woody Paige
Take Cincinnati.
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Ron Zappolo
Loss because.
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Woody Paige
I don't.
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Ron Zappolo
Probably good.
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Woody Paige
Talk with them. Bye.
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Tom Green
That's interesting though because they are Utah you know, Rice-Eccles. And maybe it's a front running thing, but they've become one of the tougher places to go play game day is going to be there. So of course that'll be 12 hours before kickoff.
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Tom Green
One of you ever.
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Woody Paige
Have you been to that stadium?
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Tom Green
Yeah, I've been there a couple times.
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Ron Zappolo
I have not been there.
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Woody Paige
I was there for the Olympics.
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Tom Green
Oh, I saw it. I think it was Utah CSU game or something.
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Ron Zappolo
I was more than it was like I've been in the Salt Palace. I've been in the Delta Center. Never been to the University of Utah. Well, there's.
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Tom Green
Something to put on your little must.
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Ron Zappolo
Do. You know what? The Salt Palace was a great old place. It was. We used to stay in the Marriott. Right across. It was right there. Speaking of story.
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Woody Paige
Absolutely.
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Ron Zappolo
I remember once walk a real quick story walking across the street. We played the jazz in the playoffs. Calvin that who I was always afraid of because I thought he would kill me. At one point I'm walking across with a briefcase and he says, hey. And I stopped like someone was about to, and he said, stop. And I'm thinking, what did I say?
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Ron Zappolo
How did I piss him off? And he leaned on my shoulder to get down the steps because his knee was bothering him. And we got to the bottom of the steps and he said, you're not going to say anything about this. And it wasn't. It wasn't in the form of a question.
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Tom Green
Because.
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Tom Green
It would be the last thing.
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Ron Zappolo
The last thing I say. And he went out and had 26 and they won the game. And Calvin, that was a tough son.
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Woody Paige
I missed that game because I was I went to an event that night. It was the performance of the choir. Yes, choir. Choir.
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Tom Green
You always knew what to do when on the road.
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Ron Zappolo
Well, your options were limited in Utah because there was no alcohol unless you joined us.
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Woody Paige
Pacific Paige Barber, national choir. I'm. Talk to.
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Tom Green
Them. Yeah, MTC.
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Ron Zappolo
All right. Should we get to the.
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Tom Green
Let's get to Sunday through Sunday, the National Football League. Pretty interesting because the Patriots are certainly the best team in the AFC East. Again six and two. Everyone's abuzz about what they're doing.
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Ron Zappolo
Against the team who might have had the worst individual performance of the entire season.
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Tom Green
You must be speaking of the.
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Ron Zappolo
Atlanta felt they made Tua look like Steve Young in this.
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Tom Green
Game.
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Ron Zappolo
They did. It was a complete no show and it proved a point. We all get old. All three of us have. Kirk Cousins, who hadn't played in a year, looked like he hadn't played in a year.
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Tom Green
Probably because, well, Swanson.
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Woody Paige
Keep thinking the Patriots are going to fall flat at some point. I'm sure people around the country are thinking the Broncos are going to do that too. But the Patriots, I just can't get a handle on the page.
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Tom Green
Well, they got a we got something going for them that they used to have back in the Belichick and Brady era is there's nobody in their own division they can't beat easily. Then the rest of their schedule is Carolina and Tennessee and Atlanta Jets like. So they're just they're rolling along right now. But their quarterback is the story of this team.
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Tom Green
Sure. So New England minus five and a half. Foxborough a tough place to play again. The Falcons appear.
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Woody Paige
To be get.
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Tom Green
To. Yeah that's the place to get used to.
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Tom Green
Atlanta's done for the year. This would be a nice.
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Ron Zappolo
Got a real. You got to take that cover of Patriot game. You're better off staying in Providence.
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Woody Paige
Yeah you that's what I have.
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Ron Zappolo
Yeah I have to. Providence is easier.
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Woody Paige
I'm taking the Patriots because Josh McDaniels.
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Tom Green
Oh well he's I know a terrific.
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Ron Zappolo
One about Josh McDaniels.
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Tom Green
Yeah I did I know he.
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Ron Zappolo
Might be the best coordinator in the NFL right now. And if I'm going to take the Patriots too if we had the vote right now Mike Vrabel yeah might be the coach.
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Woody Paige
Yeah yeah he's he's doing an incredible great job.
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Ron Zappolo
Same team that
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Woody Paige
And to bring Josh McDaniels back after all of the problems he said you know being a head coach that was the smartest move by doing.
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Ron Zappolo
A great job with Drake. Me playing great.
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Tom Green
Okay. Let's check in. With two teams moving in different directions. The Indianapolis Colts probably the best story as far as a team on the uptick in the AFC. The Steelers coming off the Sunday night loss. Indiana a road favorite. Three and a half points. Again, it seems like I'm drifting towards the favorites, but the Colts are the real thing.
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Tom Green
Daniel Jones is playing, very good football and they have the best run what he did.
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Woody Paige
Last year, and people cannot go. He just came out of the woodwork. But nobody he was good. At the end of last year.
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Ron Zappolo
The story of the year is not the Colts. The story is the Steelers are in first place, and they might be the worst first place team at the halfway mark in the history of the NFL.
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Tom Green
We talked about the AFC East. But this is.
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Ron Zappolo
This is listen the Ravens at two and whatever they are are the betting favorite to win that division. The Steelers on the last two home games have found a way to lose to the Bengals. And they made Jordan love look like part story.
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Woody Paige
And their quarterback is spending all of his time talking about he wants to return to green Bay green. He wants to go back to green Bay and retire.
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Ron Zappolo
I'm going to take the Colts. I kind of think about the Colts the way what he does about the Patriots. I'm not really bought in on the Colts yet, but seven and one is seven and one.
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Tom Green
I'm going to ride it until they've GM to.
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Ron Zappolo
Jonathan Taylor might be the most valuable player in the NFL right now.
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Woody Paige
Let me give you the bet on this. Take the.
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Tom Green
Under under yeah.
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Woody Paige
Paid no attention to.
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Ron Zappolo
The 48.5.
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Woody Paige
You don't know where it's going I have a feeling the Steelers are going to bounce back.
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Tom Green
But like just a sense this.
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Woody Paige
Is a game that's going to be like 13 to 1016.
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Ron Zappolo
I got to tell you I think you might you might be right on the under. But I think it may be more like 27 to 7 because I think the Colts can.
00:15:32:20 - 00:15:37:07
Woody Paige
Okay. All right. I think 27 to 7 I take with you I'll take 30 to 21.
00:15:37:07 - 00:15:40:27
Ron Zappolo
Yeah the 30 to 17. But the culture.
00:15:40:29 - 00:15:46:04
Woody Paige
You're looking for you know we we've talked about gambling too.
00:15:46:09 - 00:15:47:17
Ron Zappolo
Much. Yeah.
00:15:47:19 - 00:16:12:09
Woody Paige
But if you're going to gamble, you look for the right gamble. You don't see that's a I that's good advice. I never gamble, I don't I don't even ordered Chinese takeout. That's a gamble for me. So I think that you pick something that is a perfect bet. It may not win, but it's the perfect bet for you.
00:16:12:09 - 00:16:12:29
Ron Zappolo
It's a good bet.
00:16:12:29 - 00:16:16:28
Woody Paige
That's the bet here is there is the under I agree.
00:16:16:28 - 00:16:22:12
Tom Green
With you always make just get that perfect bet and then hopefully it comes.
00:16:22:12 - 00:16:24:20
Ron Zappolo
In. What's the perfect bet in this game.
00:16:24:22 - 00:16:43:18
Tom Green
So the Broncos coming off that very impressive win over the Cowboys now take to the road without their best player. Pat's are ten with a peck injury is going to miss some time. They're going down to face the Texans Houston is favored in this game but a slight favorite one and a half. Houston early in the year.
00:16:43:18 - 00:16:47:15
Tom Green
Looked like they were going to be one of the worst teams in the league. They've started to get it together a little bit.
00:16:47:15 - 00:17:06:16
Ron Zappolo
They've come back a little bit. I don't know, I don't have a strong feeling on this game because if you told me the Patrick certain was playing, I'd feel more comfortable about this. I think the, I think, Stroud the other day in San Francisco found his footing a little bit. This is coming off a string of emotional games for Denver.
00:17:06:16 - 00:17:10:28
Ron Zappolo
So as a Bronco backer, I would be a little concerned about this game.
00:17:11:00 - 00:17:12:21
Woody Paige
If you were betting.
00:17:12:23 - 00:17:14:16
Ron Zappolo
If I was going to bet this game, I would.
00:17:14:16 - 00:17:14:23
Woody Paige
Yeah.
00:17:14:23 - 00:17:16:02
Ron Zappolo
If you were, I don't think I'd been.
00:17:16:04 - 00:17:17:25
Woody Paige
I mean, if you were betting your paycheck.
00:17:17:26 - 00:17:23:14
Ron Zappolo
I would not bet it, I would not. This is not to get. I take the under in the Colts Steeler game because you told me that.
00:17:23:14 - 00:17:29:22
Tom Green
But look how low this under is because of what you're talking about. These two defenses are the best sides of the football.
00:17:29:22 - 00:17:50:04
Woody Paige
If I had to bet the over under, I'd bet over on this. These two teams are going to score much points. That's why I was asking you. I, I feel bad I don't feel good about this. I don't know what it goes in this game. I think this is a loss. I think the Texans you talked about Texans are playing better.
00:17:50:05 - 00:17:53:24
Woody Paige
They're playing more like their quarterback is playing more like he did last.
00:17:53:24 - 00:17:54:01
Ron Zappolo
Year.
00:17:54:04 - 00:17:54:19
Woody Paige
Two years.
00:17:54:19 - 00:17:55:08
Ron Zappolo
Two years ago.
00:17:55:08 - 00:18:02:20
Woody Paige
Excuse me. And the Broncos that that lost him quarterback I think it's going to just discombobulated.
00:18:02:20 - 00:18:07:06
Tom Green
It'll be it'll be really the impact of Patrick Tan's absence is going to be big.
00:18:07:07 - 00:18:15:01
Woody Paige
But and Nick you know Nick at night even though it's a daytime but Bonito is not playing quite like he was.
00:18:15:01 - 00:18:18:06
Tom Green
I think other teams are focusing a lot more attention on number 15.
00:18:18:07 - 00:18:31:06
Ron Zappolo
Well, I think in the Giants game, Andrew Thomas who's a great left tackle took him out of the game. Yeah. And then the Dallas game I think they had a more team oriented way to block him. But he's had two games where he has not been a factor.
00:18:31:11 - 00:18:38:11
Woody Paige
I don't see the Broncos winning this game. I think they're going to be eight and four. I looked ahead, which I like to.
00:18:38:11 - 00:18:53:12
Tom Green
Do, because they were out there riding a five game winning streak, which has been a fascinating five game winning streak between the barely beaten the Jets in London and a terrible game to a crazy comeback against the Giants to waxing a pretty bad cowboy team here.
00:18:53:13 - 00:18:55:21
Woody Paige
I think there was a quarterback that said let's ride.
00:18:55:21 - 00:18:56:27
Tom Green
Yeah,
00:18:57:00 - 00:19:00:29
Woody Paige
I think the ride is over. For a while.
00:19:01:02 - 00:19:03:07
Tom Green
So you dropped the point and a half. Do you take Houston?
00:19:03:07 - 00:19:03:28
Woody Paige
Yeah, I.
00:19:04:00 - 00:19:04:25
Tom Green
And you like the over.
00:19:04:25 - 00:19:07:21
Woody Paige
I wouldn't ride with, Russell Wilson this week.
00:19:07:23 - 00:19:10:04
Ron Zappolo
Here's, it is the game of the day without question.
00:19:10:04 - 00:19:30:03
Tom Green
So this is the question because, the Chiefs and Bills in the preseason, you would have said this is an AFC Championship game preview. Potentially the bills actually have a better record, but they've had a tougher time, it seems looking like the bills you expect to see in November December, the Chiefs have suddenly found it. And boy did they look like a wagon.
00:19:30:03 - 00:19:31:00
Tom Green
Right now they are.
00:19:31:01 - 00:19:32:17
Ron Zappolo
They look like the best team in the NFL.
00:19:32:17 - 00:19:38:17
Tom Green
Yeah. So they are favored one and a half points. So do you like Kansas City to go. You know what the bills read.
00:19:38:17 - 00:19:44:26
Ron Zappolo
The bills always beat the Chiefs when it doesn't matter.
00:19:44:28 - 00:19:45:13
Tom Green
That's a great.
00:19:45:13 - 00:19:57:20
Woody Paige
Way to look at it. And so I not you know when I sit around at night you say you lie you lie in bed. I've spent my whole life lying in bed. If I'm in bed with someone, well, like.
00:19:57:22 - 00:19:59:24
Ron Zappolo
Where I'm at, I mean.
00:19:59:27 - 00:20:00:22
Tom Green
Just lie.
00:20:00:29 - 00:20:03:13
Tom Green
I just find my on myself, okay?
00:20:03:16 - 00:20:04:19
Woody Paige
Do you like porches?
00:20:04:22 - 00:20:06:17
Tom Green
Oh, yeah.
00:20:06:19 - 00:20:18:01
Tom Green
I think the difference here is Kansas City, Kansas. Can play defense. The bills, I think, are going to struggle to play defense. Everyone struggles to play KC, but I think the bills defensively are in over their heads.
00:20:18:01 - 00:20:41:10
Ron Zappolo
Can I give you one more thing about this game. It's a short week for the Chiefs and it's a tough place to play. We've all been in Buffalo and I looked at the Chiefs schedule. It is kind of a murderer's row schedule. They got a lot of tough games. I could see them dropping this game to Buffalo because again, Buffalo gets up for games like this that really don't matter.
00:20:41:11 - 00:20:42:18
Tom Green
So you like the home dog?
00:20:42:21 - 00:20:44:15
Ron Zappolo
I would take the home dog here.
00:20:44:17 - 00:21:09:01
Woody Paige
Yeah I but I heard something interesting this week that a former player said he doesn't think the Chiefs everybody everybody loves Andy Reid and it's offensive everything. And a former player said I don't think they have a playbook on offense. Right. When you watch Patrick Mahomes, that doesn't look like a play. It looks like something.
00:21:09:02 - 00:21:09:25
Tom Green
They practiced.
00:21:09:28 - 00:21:32:29
Ron Zappolo
To a touchdown on Monday night to Kareem Hunt where typical Patrick Mahomes he rolls out to the right. He kills about eight seconds. And Kareem Hunt just drifts out there by himself. And he finds him. And that is a skill that he possesses unto himself. And he is incredible. And that's why it's hard in life if you're a gambler to bet against Patrick.
00:21:33:03 - 00:21:41:23
Tom Green
When when Casey starts playing well, people back Casey, they see it come and they see the wave and they're there amidst a wave. Right now.
00:21:41:23 - 00:21:48:27
Woody Paige
I think Rod's got this. The buffalo Jets up for this game. I think they play lousy against lousy teams.
00:21:48:27 - 00:21:49:23
Ron Zappolo
I do.
00:21:49:26 - 00:21:56:01
Tom Green
I agree with you. Patrick Mahomes has moved himself back into the top as far as bettors are concerned for.
00:21:56:01 - 00:21:56:09
Ron Zappolo
The.
00:21:56:12 - 00:22:08:00
Tom Green
For the most valuable player. But the surprise I think in here I see two surprises. One that Drake Maye is now number two and he's played well enough to earn respect like that. I'm surprised. Daniel Jones, you.
00:22:08:00 - 00:22:28:07
Ron Zappolo
Just took the words out of my mouth on that list. Daniel Jones should be on that list. His team is seven and one. They rarely punt the ball. Daniel Jones has not turned it over. It is quite the indictment of Brian Daboll and Joe Torre, saying that they thought Daniel Jones was worthless and.
00:22:28:07 - 00:22:29:17
Tom Green
Saquon Barkley was in the.
00:22:29:24 - 00:22:40:01
Ron Zappolo
Weight sinking. My boy. And Shane Steichen, who I don't think is out of the Mike Shanahan playbook, has made Daniel Jones look like one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.
00:22:40:01 - 00:22:43:18
Tom Green
He gets help from the guy at the bottom. There you back. Oh I to.
00:22:43:21 - 00:22:49:19
Woody Paige
Say you're not getting enough love. No pun intended to Jonathan Taylor. He's having a phenomenal.
00:22:49:20 - 00:22:51:19
Tom Green
The only non quarterback. On that note.
00:22:51:19 - 00:23:10:01
Ron Zappolo
The problem with that is when he you're a 100% correct. They don't ever give this award to running backs. They should say c'mon Barkley should have won it last year. He was the best player on the best team. He was the reason they won the Super Bowl. But they don't give him those awards and they won't give it to Jonathan Taylor either.
00:23:10:02 - 00:23:28:11
Tom Green
Now what about because I see Drake Maye up there and I think you know he deserves respect. But the fact that he's that high reminds us about how gambling works. This isn't necessarily handicapping the race. This is the public's opinion of the race and the public, especially the back east, the East Coast bias. They're in love with Drake.
00:23:28:11 - 00:23:33:03
Ron Zappolo
Matt. Yeah. And like, you know what? Other than Jordan Love, I can make a case for every guy in this list.
00:23:33:03 - 00:23:48:24
Woody Paige
Well, except I'ma tell you that the public doesn't love they love him as a person. They love him as a quarterback. They don't love him to be the quarterback of their team. Baker Mayfield is not going to he he's nobody's going to bet on Baker Mayfield.
00:23:48:25 - 00:23:49:24
Ron Zappolo
But he's had a great week.
00:23:49:24 - 00:23:58:25
Woody Paige
We've seen him evolve. We've seen him do all the great things that he can do a.
00:23:58:26 - 00:23:59:11
Tom Green
All time.
00:23:59:11 - 00:23:59:21
Woody Paige
Game.
00:23:59:21 - 00:24:01:08
Ron Zappolo
Go yep.
00:24:01:10 - 00:24:03:27
Woody Paige
But he's Baker Mayfield.
00:24:03:29 - 00:24:07:20
Tom Green
Yeah well there's a lot of football left that'll be interesting to see.
00:24:07:20 - 00:24:12:21
Woody Paige
But it's like when I went to see Toto I thought.
00:24:12:23 - 00:24:20:06
Woody Paige
Yes Africa is a great salt but they're toto that that's the way I feel about Baker Mayfield.
00:24:20:06 - 00:24:22:02
Tom Green
So we know we talked about the Chiefs.
00:24:22:02 - 00:24:22:11
Ron Zappolo
All right.
00:24:22:11 - 00:24:27:00
Tom Green
The team Mahomes is the number one pick right now to be the MVP. And he'll.
00:24:27:00 - 00:24:27:11
Ron Zappolo
Win it.
00:24:27:11 - 00:24:43:13
Tom Green
And how do people view the teams. Well the Kansas City Chiefs now have moved themselves right to the very top of the list as far as Super Bowl odds, the Chiefs are number one, followed by the Lions and the Packers and then the bills, which for the first time in a long time, I think you're starting to see some balance.
00:24:43:15 - 00:24:50:26
Tom Green
Where the NFC is, is more strongly representative. For the last few years, the AFC has been, you know, four out of the top five.
00:24:50:29 - 00:25:01:28
Ron Zappolo
A lot of good teams in the NFC this year. The team I like the most is the team right there next to Kansas City. Yeah I think it's time for Detroit. I love their coach. I like their team. I think it's just their time.
00:25:02:03 - 00:25:02:28
Tom Green
Really. Yep.
00:25:03:01 - 00:25:04:04
Tom Green
I love the running back.
00:25:04:04 - 00:25:05:05
Woody Paige
Just not feeling.
00:25:05:05 - 00:25:10:19
Ron Zappolo
It. Well who's going to go into Detroit and beat them if they get if they end up with home field which they.
00:25:10:19 - 00:25:12:05
Tom Green
Met last year. They had home field.
00:25:12:06 - 00:25:15:13
Ron Zappolo
They did. But I think they're one year better.
00:25:15:15 - 00:25:19:00
Tom Green
Than they were so hurt last year. By the time they got there. They need to be healthy.
00:25:19:00 - 00:25:29:09
Ron Zappolo
Yes. And Dan Campbell made a lot of interesting decisions. It didn't work out. Maybe I just like Dean Campbell and I like the story around him, but I think they got the best team in the NFC.
00:25:29:09 - 00:25:35:17
Woody Paige
I think if you look at that entire list, you would not put your.
00:25:35:19 - 00:25:37:22
Tom Green
Pen harder.
00:25:37:25 - 00:25:38:27
Woody Paige
To check it, okay?
00:25:39:04 - 00:25:40:25
Ron Zappolo
You wouldn't put it on what?
00:25:40:28 - 00:25:53:09
Woody Paige
I wouldn't put it on any of those teams because I think it's so wide. It is. Right. But I can give you you you say Detroit Lions. I can give you six reasons why I don't like.
00:25:53:09 - 00:25:53:27
Ron Zappolo
You could give.
00:25:53:29 - 00:25:57:21
Woody Paige
The green Bay Packers. You think I mean not?
00:25:57:23 - 00:25:58:04
Ron Zappolo
No.
00:25:58:04 - 00:26:02:27
Tom Green
I think if you're looking for value, you go down the board a little bit. I mean, I think it.
00:26:02:27 - 00:26:03:13
Tom Green
Would.
00:26:03:16 - 00:26:03:24
Ron Zappolo
Go.
00:26:03:24 - 00:26:10:28
Tom Green
Down. Well, I think I'd probably go down to Philly. Philly certainly has not had a great first half of the year. But, I think.
00:26:11:05 - 00:26:11:14
Tom Green
They.
00:26:11:20 - 00:26:13:22
Tom Green
Still have, but they still have those guys.
00:26:13:23 - 00:26:19:12
Ron Zappolo
Teams do not repeat in this. Yeah. This NFL.
00:26:19:15 - 00:26:22:19
Woody Paige
Do you really think the Indianapolis Colts are going to be.
00:26:22:19 - 00:26:30:08
Tom Green
Well no I know what I'm I don't think I'm necessarily picking a winner. But I think if I'm going to take you know, sometimes you look at you go to the track.
00:26:30:08 - 00:26:30:29
Ron Zappolo
You want value.
00:26:30:29 - 00:26:32:22
Tom Green
You find a 6 to 1, you find an 8.
00:26:32:22 - 00:26:48:03
Ron Zappolo
To 1, you want value. How about Sean McVay Matthew Stafford to guys that have been there done it before. I'm not saying they're the best team in the NFC. But to Woody's point they're all kind of equal. I could see the Rams going on the road and beating somebody and get into the.
00:26:48:06 - 00:26:56:16
Woody Paige
It's been the goofiest it has. Yeah the NFL because you go really I mean it's like Vanderbilt could win.
00:26:56:19 - 00:27:02:04
Ron Zappolo
Oh well if it's if it's Vanderbilt Indiana will know that it could be the Colts. And you.
00:27:02:04 - 00:27:02:24
Tom Green
Know I want to see.
00:27:02:24 - 00:27:05:10
Tom Green
Who has that ticket. Some guy of some lies.
00:27:05:10 - 00:27:09:03
Ron Zappolo
Somebody got Vandy in Indy in Indiana I like those two.
00:27:09:04 - 00:27:13:02
Woody Paige
Yeah. Wouldn't that be a great like national championship game?
00:27:13:02 - 00:27:13:19
Tom Green
Yeah.
00:27:13:19 - 00:27:15:14
Woody Paige
What the hell would you sell that.
00:27:15:19 - 00:27:16:22
Ron Zappolo
They figure out a way.
00:27:16:23 - 00:27:25:12
Woody Paige
Where you could sell it. But people go really? It's like Tom said earlier, it's hard. Told me three years what happened.
00:27:25:15 - 00:27:28:16
Ron Zappolo
But it's like, listen, we're enjoying the World Series right now.
00:27:28:18 - 00:27:29:06
Woody Paige
I mean, you.
00:27:29:06 - 00:27:30:04
Ron Zappolo
Want Seattle and.
00:27:30:06 - 00:27:37:21
Woody Paige
Milwaukee know we're talking about the NFL, but Indiana and Vanderbilt can't be spending a lot of money on players. They're not big.
00:27:37:21 - 00:27:40:26
Tom Green
But you don't spend money on players anymore. You spend it on coaches. Yeah.
00:27:40:28 - 00:27:41:02
Ron Zappolo
Yeah.
00:27:41:03 - 00:27:46:20
Tom Green
And and you guess right Kurt. He got his new deal. Clark he's going to get 12I would think down at Vandy.
00:27:46:26 - 00:27:51:29
Ron Zappolo
Yeah yeah. But you know what. You better start spending on players. Because if you don't they'll go.
00:27:52:01 - 00:27:53:14
Tom Green
Well.
00:27:53:16 - 00:27:54:29
Ron Zappolo
They'll leave.
00:27:55:01 - 00:28:19:01
Woody Paige
Now we know why. Just now we know why. Deion Sanders is such a good guy and proven he's a great coach. But he had that day off where all the guys that don't get to play, they did an intrasquad match, right? So that the guys could put their performances on,
00:28:19:03 - 00:28:20:17
Tom Green
Get some tape on tape.
00:28:20:17 - 00:28:21:12
Ron Zappolo
And because.
00:28:21:19 - 00:28:25:20
Woody Paige
Of where they're going next, which will be Vanderbilt, Indiana.
00:28:25:25 - 00:28:45:14
Tom Green
He gives you talk. You guys talk about money, I should mention, because, for the many people who listen and don't necessarily get to watch, our podcast, they don't get to see what is chalkboard because that's listening, not him. So let's, read it out right there over his shoulder. It says my service station sells me gasoline for $1.99 by the pint.
00:28:45:16 - 00:28:50:00
Tom Green
Sold my car to buy gas. There you go, Woody. In his chalkboard.
00:28:50:02 - 00:28:58:05
Woody Paige
We didn't say you. I haven't been able to say this. Having put up a blackboard for 20 years or whatever, that I never said they were good.
00:28:58:05 - 00:28:59:21
Tom Green
I just they'll.
00:28:59:21 - 00:29:00:05
Tom Green
Always be.
00:29:00:05 - 00:29:09:00
Woody Paige
There. When you would walk into a classroom when you were a kid. This is the way I've always looked at it. And the teacher would put something on a blackboard. You go, yeah.
00:29:09:02 - 00:29:10:05
Tom Green
Good day. Bad.
00:29:10:07 - 00:29:13:10
Woody Paige
Yeah, yeah. I mean, you didn't go, oh, boy, that's interesting.
00:29:13:10 - 00:29:14:23
Tom Green
Do you know how many nerd.
00:29:14:23 - 00:29:17:00
Natasha
I very much did, but that's just me.
00:29:17:00 - 00:29:18:25
Ron Zappolo
I wish I buried it.
00:29:19:02 - 00:29:20:03
Woody Paige
Well, you could you.
00:29:20:05 - 00:29:21:19
Natasha
That's why I'm in blackboard.
00:29:21:19 - 00:29:26:01
Woody Paige
How many, how many of them do you like of yours?
00:29:26:06 - 00:29:26:28
Tom Green
Of the chalkboard.
00:29:26:28 - 00:29:27:21
Woody Paige
Yeah.
00:29:27:24 - 00:29:29:06
Tom Green
Oh.
00:29:29:09 - 00:29:36:06
Natasha
Well, define like. But so does that actually make me chuckle? I'd say 5050.
00:29:36:08 - 00:29:40:17
Tom Green
That's pretty good. That's not bad. They're pretty good. Yeah. How many of you done 10,000.
00:29:40:17 - 00:29:42:26
Tom Green
5000, you know.
00:29:42:28 - 00:29:45:08
Woody Paige
Well you do you do 250.
00:29:45:08 - 00:29:47:05
Tom Green
A year or something like that.
00:29:47:07 - 00:29:49:27
Woody Paige
Yeah I, I don't have any idea.
00:29:50:01 - 00:29:59:04
Tom Green
It's probably probably around 5000 I think. Yeah I know, I know you broke both Lou Gehrig and Cal Ripken Junior's record for most chalkboards in a row.
00:29:59:07 - 00:30:01:14
Ron Zappolo
We're we're we're drifting here.
00:30:01:16 - 00:30:09:16
Woody Paige
Yeah. I think it's the only chalkboard in history of sports that does a it's a coaching drawing plays on it.
00:30:09:18 - 00:30:29:05
Tom Green
Well, whether you're you're living in Monte Carlo and living in your Monte Carlo, we appreciate you taking the time to spend a little time with us here on After the Horn. As always, you can reach out to us even on the weekend betting edition like this. Just send us something. If at, Shea two at Ed Gorilla Sportsnet.
00:30:29:07 - 00:30:29:29
Tom Green
We'll see you next week.