The Super Bowl is over, but the conversation is just getting started. On this episode of After the Horn, Woody Paige, Ron Zappolo, and Tom Green break down a lopsided Super Bowl, the Patriots’ soft path to the title game, and why Seattle proved to be on a completely different level. The panel dives into the Bad Bunny halftime show and the political backlash it sparked, with an unfiltered conversation about race, culture, and why sports no longer exist in a vacuum. The discussion turns back to football with an early look at the Denver Broncos’ outlook for next season, the shifting balance of power in the AFC, and how free agency and quarterback uncertainty could reshape the conference. From there, the show pivots to the Winter Olympics, including Lindsey Vonn’s final run, American athletes speaking out on the world stage, and how Olympic patriotism feels different than it did decades ago. The back half of the episode covers Colorado sports, including mounting frustration with the Denver Nuggets’ late-game execution, Nikola Jokic’s unselfishness, coaching questions, and whether injuries may ultimately define the season. As always, the show closes with classic After the Horn storytelling, humor, and perspective from three longtime voices in Denver sports media. ‘After the Horn’ is sponsored in part by American Financing Visit: AmericanFinancing.net/Green NMLS 182334, nmlsconsumeraccess.org. APR for rates in the 5s start at 6.196% for well-qualified borrowers. Call 855-581-5828 for details about credit costs and terms, or visit AmericanFinancing.net/Green Furniture provided by Furniture Row denvermattress.furniturerow.com #AfterTheHorn #Broncos #DenverBroncos #NFLPlayoffs #BoNix #SeanPayton #DenverSports #americanfinancing #furniturerow
The Super Bowl conversation opens with immediate reaction to a lopsided game, questioning whether the Patriots were ever truly elite and why Seattle was clearly operating on another level. The panel debates quarterback play, roster construction, and how the postseason exposed teams that benefitted from favorable paths. Attention then turns to the Bad Bunny halftime show and the intense backlash it sparked, leading to a candid discussion about culture, politics, race, and why sports no longer exist in isolation from the broader national conversation.
The show pivots back to football with an early look at the Denver Broncos’ outlook, how wide open the AFC appears heading into next season, and why free agency and coaching changes could dramatically reshape the conference. From there, the conversation moves to the Winter Olympics, including Lindsey Vonn’s final run, American athletes speaking out, and whether the emotional connection to the Games feels different than it once did.
The final stretch focuses on Colorado sports, starting with the Denver Nuggets’ late-game struggles, Nikola Jokic’s unselfishness in crunch time, coaching questions, and the concern that injuries may define the season as the team limps into the All-Star break. The episode wraps with classic After the Horn reflection, humor, and perspective from three longtime voices in Denver sports.
00:00 – Super Bowl reaction: a game over early
03:30 – Patriots’ path, roster gaps & Seattle’s dominance
06:00 – Quarterback play, Drake Maye & playoff exposure
10:00 – Broncos outlook and the wide-open AFC
12:30 – Bad Bunny halftime show and cultural backlash
16:30 – Politics, race, and why sports don’t live in a vacuum
18:00 – Early Broncos expectations for next season
20:30 – Winter Olympics begin & Lindsey Vonn’s final run
23:00 – American athletes speaking out on the world stage
28:00 – Olympic hockey, nationalism & rooting conflicts
32:45 – Nuggets segment begins: frustration building
36:30 – Late-game execution, Jokic’s unselfishness
40:30 – Coaching questions and injury concerns
45:30 – Seeding, road vs home struggles & playoff outlook
52:00 – Broader NBA context before the All-Star break
01:02:00 – Reflections on careers, timing & knowing when to step away
01:18:30 – Final thoughts and show wrap-up
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Tom Green
The Super Bowl is over. Bad Bunny and Woody Paige have left the building. Here's a hypothetical question, though. Let's take a look at the Broncos. Could they have won Super Bowl 60 if Bo Nix was healthy? If J.K. Dobbins was healthy? If the Seahawks weren't as good as they are.
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Ron Zappolo
Yes.
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Ron Zappolo
We already answered all those questions. No, no. Yes. Hi, everybody. After the horn runs, Apollo, Woody Page, Tom green. What a great Super Bowl. What did you. What did you what were you doing by the second quarter?
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Tom Green
I had I had a great Super Bowl situation. I was at a party, so nobody was really paying attention. So I didn't really have to dive into the commercials or, you know, pay attention to much of anything. And then the game actually required a lack of attention. And I, I met the moment.
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Ron Zappolo
I went and smoked a cigar and I wanted to race home to see the game. And by the second quarter, I was asking my wife, anything you got that needs done around here? Because that's how good it was.
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Woody Paige
It's curly. Come on.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah.
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Ron Zappolo
Yeah. What's on ABC or whatever?
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Tom Green
Check it out. Yeah.
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Ron Zappolo
What do you. That's what you get. When you did. No no knock on the Patriots. Had a great year.
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Tom Green
But plenty of knock on the page.
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Ron Zappolo
Well let me just say that they had their strength of schedule was the easiest schedule in the last 45 years. They everything came together. They played the Chargers without their two starting tackles. They played Houston without Nico Collins and a quarterback who threw four picks in the first half. They played the Broncos with steady, steady and then they got in there against the real team.
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Ron Zappolo
Yeah, and I don't think they were ready for the real teams that I know. You're in there against somebody.
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Tom Green
Yeah they went up a few weight class when it came time to play the Super Bowl. What do you were there I mean this was one for the ages in quite a bad way. Yeah.
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Woody Paige
What was the most shocking thing about the Super Bowl? The actual Super Bowl.
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Ron Zappolo
The sets that were Bad bunny use, which I thought were incredible.
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Woody Paige
You got.
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Woody Paige
The trees were people.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, the people.
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Woody Paige
People. And they got.
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Ron Zappolo
Paid. I thought the halftime.
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Woody Paige
Was $5,000 to stand there without moving for 15 minutes.
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Tom Green
So the way the Patriots got to the Super Bowl was boring the other team. And knowing the other team with the broken Justin Herbert and C.J. Stroud lost and forgetting how to play football and Jarrett Stidham, they weren't ever going to do anything. They just kind of wandered through and muddled up the game. Then they got to Seattle and Seattle was more than happy to do the exact same thing, except they're way better than the Patriots.
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Tom Green
And the AFC just didn't send a good team to the Super Bowl. I mean, they they sent a knife to a again.
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Woody Paige
Who would you have sent to the Super Bowl.
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Tom Green
Beat Seattle if I was going to send the best team maybe you know Buffalo or Jacksonville might have. They would have given them a better fight. They would have been more of a handful.
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Woody Paige
I think that people in Colorado could be thankful that they didn't go, yeah. And get beat as they did Super.
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Ron Zappolo
Bowl for the old John Elway's mother trick. Do we have to go again?
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Tom Green
So here is one thing that is great news for Bronco fans is the Patriots have now lost more Super Bowls than anyone else.
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Ron Zappolo
But speaking of the Broncos, I haven't see the left side of an offensive line collapse that bad since Tom Glasscock and Paul Howard in 1978 were trying to block Harvey Martin in Two Tall Jones and Randy white.
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Woody Paige
I had Craig Morton agreed to keep a tape recorder and record his thoughts at night in the hotel room.
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Tom Green
On the build up to the.
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Woody Paige
12th leading up to the Super Bowl. The first one, the Broncos, were just put in, and afterward he wouldn't give me the tape. The week later, I met him in Cherry Creek at one well, the restaurant bars there, and I said, you got to give me the tape, at least give me my tape recorder.
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Speaker 1
I did.
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Woody Paige
But he finally agreed to do it, and he said, you have to talk to me before you write to them. Write a book about the Broncos. But in there on Monday night, he says, we had our way in today. That was how he started. Tom Blazek weighs 209 pounds. We got no fucking chance. That was his statement for Monday night.
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Woody Paige
You know what, man? It's going to be a good week of listening to tapes of what he would say. But it on Tuesday you go classic in gaining any weight. And I'm looking at what the Dallas Cowboys going to throw up against him. And that was like a war that Tom Glasgow. There were two things he had tooth problems or teeth problems in the South.
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Woody Paige
The toothbrush was.
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Ron Zappolo
And he smoked a lot of marijuana.
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Woody Paige
I didn't.
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Speaker 1
Know that. Well there's that, there's that.
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Woody Paige
That leads to my.
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Ron Zappolo
One of my favorite people, Tom Glasscock.
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Woody Paige
When I, when I grew up, we all learned this joke in Tennessee. Why was the toothbrush invented in Tennessee? Do you know the answer to that? No. If it had been invented anywhere else, it would be called a teeth brush. So he had tooth problems. His his sister. He brought his sister into to the Super Bowl to try to cook for him.
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Woody Paige
And all she could cook was, soup because he couldn't eat anything that was like meat during the week. And instead of gaining weight, he even lost weight. And there's some questions of whether he was actually over 200 pounds.
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Ron Zappolo
When he was. I'm glad it was one of the smartest guys that ever put the uniform on for Denver. I remember going up to every game when he lived up there and he he was into military, his.
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Tom Green
Soldiers, the toy.
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Ron Zappolo
Soldiers and the million toy soldiers. And he was a delightful guy to be around. I've lost track of Tom, but he was he was a lot of fun. Yeah. Can I say I just felt a tiny bit bad for Drake. May.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Ron Zappolo
I think that's all. He also sucked in. And let's be honest, he was bad for the entire playoffs.
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Tom Green
I was thinking that he was bad on the way to the Super Bowl that they were playing in, like all those 14 degree games that maybe that had something to do with it getting some good weather and all. Nope. But they also nobody on his team helped him.
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Ron Zappolo
No. But you know what he did? He did something, Tom, that kind of bothered me. Not during the game, but he got up there and he was crying. I get that people cry after. I'm fine with that. He he very quickly said when somebody asked them about where you heard, well, no, I'm healthy. But I did get an injection on my shoulder.
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Ron Zappolo
Don't, don't you know what? Both don't make any excuses.
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Speaker 1
Yeah.
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Ron Zappolo
You get your ass kicked. Just own it.
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Tom Green
Drake May owns it because he's the quarterback. His statistics, you know, ended up looking cosmetically fine. But he was terrible. They had no first downs. But tell me on his offensive side of the football, of those other ten players that were somehow good enough to get to the Super Bowl, did any of them have anything good to do in the Super Bowl?
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Tom Green
I mean, his receivers aren't open, his backs aren't running, they didn't block anyone. So as much as Drake Maye is going to wear it because quarterbacks do.
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Ron Zappolo
And Will Campbell was with the fourth pick of the entire draft. That's pretty embarrassing.
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Tom Green
But they had you know they had that genius as their offensive coordinator. That's true.
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Ron Zappolo
So but do you think it wasn't.
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Tom Green
A good day for job even.
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Ron Zappolo
Even the genius okay. What could he have done. Yeah. In that game they were outmanned. And sometimes you just get outmanned in a game.
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Woody Paige
But Josh, if you look at his last two games of this past season, how many points. Yeah. Not much the door for genius. What was funny about being there during the course of the week that people were trying the people we interviewed from girls sports or people I talked to, everybody was trying to find a way to have the Patriots winning.
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Tom Green
The game because.
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Woody Paige
Of Josh McDaniels, because of the head coach. They weren't talking about the team that those two guys were going to beat Seattle, and neither one of them had an effect in the game, unless you want to say that they didn't let Seattle score.
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Ron Zappolo
And you know what? For all the talk you for all the talk about running backs don't matter anymore. We saw a game where a running back did matter. The right guy got the MVP. Sam Darnold didn't do anything.
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Tom Green
No.
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Ron Zappolo
That game he really did.
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Tom Green
I think the defensive guy who could have got it brings me to a point about with Rocco's Devin Witherspoon.
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Ron Zappolo
I thought he was.
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Tom Green
Great because Devin Witherspoon was one of three guys that the Seahawks drafted with that draft pick.
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Ron Zappolo
With the Russell Will.
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Tom Green
Russell Wilson trade, Charles Cross, the starting left tackle Derrick Bell, the linebacker had a good game and it's like as catastrophic as that trade was it got even a little bit more.
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Ron Zappolo
You don't want to know about the Russell Wilson trade. I've been reading a lot about Miami and Arizona trying to get rid of their quarterbacks. And the Russell Wilson trade now has become this benchmark where you can say, well, yeah, we owe the guy $88 million over the next two years. But remember Russell Wilson Denver did it. We can figure it out, spread it out over a couple of years.
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Ron Zappolo
And then get it over.
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Tom Green
Aaron Rodgers doesn't help either.
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Speaker 1
But I do. I'm I'm the.
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Woody Paige
Only person here that actually spent a week working with and eating a dinner with at night. A guy that was in that trade.
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Speaker 1
Yeah.
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Woody Paige
And he's not still very happy about it. Talking about Shelby Harris. Yeah. Does this show with the playing Harris Brothers, the dancing with the Harris.
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Ron Zappolo
You know. But football's a business.
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Tom Green
So the other another very interesting Denver component here of course is Clint Kubiak, who has done a great job as an assistant as the OC up in Seattle, wins the Super Bowl just like dad. And now he's going over to the Las Vegas Raiders. So you wonder about be careful of the jobs you take because you may only get one shot at it.
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Tom Green
So can he make the Raiders a viable franchise?
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Woody Paige
How? First of all, the another question I have for the two of you, this will be a tougher one for you. How many coaches in the league were on the Broncos sideline when they won back to back Super Bowls?
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Tom Green
Yeah they're him and in Kyle.
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Ron Zappolo
And yeah they've just quite a few.
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Tom Green
But Clint you know on a day he's going to be hard. Yeah his offense wasn't great in the game. But they also you.
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Ron Zappolo
Know they were good all year. He did a good job. And I'm glad. And I'm sure he's got it's just like Kyle his dad's going to help him. Yeah. And he's going to have Tom Brady there pass that. He's got a long way to go with that.
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Tom Green
He's going to get a new quarterback. It looks like he.
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Ron Zappolo
Maybe he loves Fernando Mendoza. Yeah. And thinks that he can win with them. Maybe he likes Ashton Gentry. So he you know there's only so many of these jobs. Yeah. You make a great point. Careful of the one you take because you might not get a second chance.
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Woody Paige
But there was a there have been more than one guy who's taken the Raiders job. It's gone on to other places and.
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Ron Zappolo
Have done pretty.
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Tom Green
Well. But they've they've had a coach a year for five years now. Yeah I'm assuming they have been.
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Woody Paige
Oh you mean.
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Speaker 1
Oh no.
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Tom Green
No. But with the Raiders it'll be interesting to see Clint Kubiak step forth. And you know there's so much that comes with it. We always used to joke about that, that difference between being an assistant and a head coach. And suddenly the responsibilities and the the many times the microphone finds you, the cameras find you and your responsibilities go way up.
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Tom Green
He's been around it all his life from CSU and before then, to to where he's.
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Ron Zappolo
Been around all those life. But when you hire a coordinator, you never know if they're going to be able to get up in front of 55 men and. And get them motivated in the way a head coach needs to. Josh McDaniels couldn't do it. We know a lot of other people that couldn't do it. The Giants hired John Harbaugh because they knew he could do it.
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Tom Green
But Seattle's coach is still an invisible man.
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Ron Zappolo
Yes he is.
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Tom Green
And he's he won the Super Bowl. He coached the heck out of a team, coached the heck out of the game and Mike McDonald still is.
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Ron Zappolo
Yeah. No one knows who.
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Tom Green
He's subzero. Nobody knows.
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Ron Zappolo
No one really.
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Woody Paige
Even had to share the podium with someone. He went to high school.
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Tom Green
With Maria Taylor.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was.
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Tom Green
That was cute. Yeah. For that. So the other, the other big thing about the Super Bowl on Sunday, of course, the halftime show and the counterprogramming at the halftime show. And as much as you make that a part of football, this becomes more of a prism with which we view our country, I think. And the Bad Bunny show, in entirely in Spanish, I thought, you know, the production of it was brilliant, but it really seemed to stick a divide in some people.
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Tom Green
Now, people have always hated the halftime show and loved the halftime show. It's very Twitter esque, you know, it's the best or the worst, but the Bad Bunny show, in a different way struck a chord, a hard chord with many Americans.
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Ron Zappolo
Ten years ago, nobody would have cared about that. Yeah, it's only the, climate that we're in right now. I thought the show was spectacular. I don't speak Spanish. I loved it, I loved the production of it. I loved the quick 13 minutes of it, and I loved the fact that it was a unifying a show I saw with the billboard said.
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Ron Zappolo
I saw how he handled himself. The reason that the MAGA world didn't like it is simple because he was critical of Trump. He said, I go home or whatever. That's all it is. Nothing else, nothing more. We don't have to read too much into.
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Woody Paige
One of the dozen or two dozen people that watched the alternative show with kid Rock, I did not think there, but maybe the commissioner will say, let's bring kid Rock over and we'll get everybody.
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Ron Zappolo
Yeah, we want kid Rock, because, you know, Bad Bunny, from what I can tell, is the most popular streamed artist in the world over the last four years, with a string of successful singles. Kid Rock hasn't been relevant in 15 years, but let's put him on the same stage, whatever relevant.
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Tom Green
Oh, it was that.
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Speaker 1
Was like 15 is even generous. Don't try to be.
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Ron Zappolo
I'm trying to be fair to kids. Rock, who's a dick, by the way? Yeah, but look, we can go on. But, Yeah, I'm tired of this. I really am.
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Woody Paige
I met him once because he was doing it in the studio. I had New York with ESPN. He was doing a concert in that building that night, and I met him out outside. He was smoking a joint, and he said, you're the guy on TV. And I said, I didn't know who he was. Yeah, I did not know who.
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Woody Paige
So this was before that moment in time when he was relevant that some people, I guess, you know.
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Ron Zappolo
I watched, Megan Kelly with, another great one with Piers Morgan yesterday, and she was just outraged that, you know, the NFL would have the balls to put this guy on who's the most successful performer in the world over the last four years. And it's just to me, I'm tired of normalizing the racist shit like she puts out there.
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Ron Zappolo
And other people, let's just call it like it is, okay? They don't like this guy for a lot of reasons. Number one is critical of Trump. So if you're critical of Trump in the MAGA world, you gotta have your nuts cut off, right? That's number one. Number two, he doesn't look like, her. He's different. He's got dark skin.
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Ron Zappolo
You want to keep going, we can keep going. We got a dickhead in the white House who on Thursday night in midnight. Posted. Posted a video of Barack and Michelle Obama depicting them as apes. Let's just call it out. You know, it's bad enough that the guy's a racist. All right? Which he is. And we've got it isn't like he just made this one mistake and he apologized, which he would never do.
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Ron Zappolo
He's been a racist his entire adult life. What bothers me even more than that is the people that either won't call it out or they normalize it. That's why we're in the shit that we're in in this country.
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Woody Paige
When we know.
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Ron Zappolo
We should talk about that more than a stupid ass Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1
Is.
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Woody Paige
What we originated the show, rod said to Tom and I at Inverness. We had a meeting out there and he said, sometimes I sit on the sofa and I go, I wish I was back on TV so I could say something. You just got your.
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Speaker 1
Up and I just come up.
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Ron Zappolo
And I'm sure that people don't like that and I respect that. I never worried about people not liking what I said. Neither did you. We were simpatico in that way. People aren't going to like me anyway because I'm opinionated. So why not just tell the truth and just say what you think? And it doesn't have to be somebody else's truth.
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Ron Zappolo
It's my truth.
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Woody Paige
Well, but the.
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Tom Green
President also weighed in on the let's.
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Woody Paige
Be fair.
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Ron Zappolo
About. Yes, you did you want to talk about that? Well, we're.
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Tom Green
Going to get into the Olympics so we can save that for a minute.
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Ron Zappolo
Well, we can go to Bad Bunny more if we want to.
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Woody Paige
But I do want to be fair, and I should. I've got to counter you a little bit. Go ahead. We're changing the name of the show to the trope around the horse.
00;17;18;14 - 00;17;19;15
Woody Paige
Because he called.
00;17;19;15 - 00;17;20;23
Tom Green
Everything. Got a name? Everything.
00;17;20;23 - 00;17;22;22
Woody Paige
Name your show after me.
00;17;22;25 - 00;17;35;12
Ron Zappolo
You know what I love? The fact that he slaps his name on the Kennedy Center. Nobody wants to go play there. And then a few weeks later. Yeah, I'm shutting it down for a couple years. It needs a lot of renovations.
00;17;35;14 - 00;17;37;11
Tom Green
Yeah. Ever since I put my name on it.
00;17;37;11 - 00;17;39;29
Woody Paige
How about bringing it back? Trump Airlines?
00;17;40;01 - 00;17;49;00
Tom Green
Well, there's a track record there. Football again just for the Broncos next year. People say they're one of the favorites.
00;17;49;03 - 00;18;04;22
Woody Paige
I tell Fox say it in a power show next year. They had the Broncos number one. And I saw another one that's had the Broncos four at the end of the season. And I went, I might have had them three maybe.
00;18;04;28 - 00;18;07;10
Tom Green
I think it's impossible to gauge right now until you get.
00;18;07;17 - 00;18;17;02
Ron Zappolo
To this free agency and see how the team changes. But based on if the Broncos do what we think they'll do in free agency, I think they're a factor.
00;18;17;06 - 00;18;32;06
Tom Green
Well, the AFC is going to be curious next year because it looks because of the super Bowl softer. But then you also have the all the mystery of those quarterbacks who didn't play in the playoffs this year. Are they coming back as Mahomes and Burrow and.
00;18;32;08 - 00;18;32;28
Ron Zappolo
And the coaching.
00;18;32;28 - 00;18;35;18
Tom Green
Changes. Josh Allen's got a new coach. You know this.
00;18;35;19 - 00;18;40;07
Ron Zappolo
Year where Lamar Jackson's got a new coach. We just it's a lot of unknown in the air.
00;18;40;07 - 00;18;45;18
Tom Green
Who does rule the AFC. You could make a case for the Broncos but you could make a case for half of those teams.
00;18;45;18 - 00;18;47;05
Ron Zappolo
Yeah I agree.
00;18;47;07 - 00;18;54;29
Woody Paige
I think it's wide open. We thought it was wide open this year and it seemed to be. Yeah it was when when you take the Chiefs out of the.
00;18;55;02 - 00;18;59;01
Ron Zappolo
Yeah four and 13 team from a year ago made the Super Bowl. So it was wide open.
00;18;59;01 - 00;18;59;25
Speaker 1
Yeah.
00;18;59;27 - 00;19;06;19
Tom Green
Well you have to go through all these these important phases in the draft and all that sort of stuff too.
00;19;06;24 - 00;19;31;21
Woody Paige
I don't know whether it was San Francisco and San Francisco's taking a beating over the past ten years or so because of homelessness and crime and everything else. But I've been to over 40 Super Bowls, as you know, and there was no. Caring. I want to put it that way. There was no caring. It was spread out so many places.
00;19;31;27 - 00;19;53;15
Woody Paige
And guess what? They're going back to California next year. Los Angeles Super Bowls are more spread out and even San Francisco. And I'm thinking, well, what will it be like in 2032, when the Broncos probably will host the Super Bowl then? Because they will live? I don't think they will give it to a team the first year, but the second year supposedly.
00;19;53;16 - 00;19;54;08
Tom Green
Once the stadium.
00;19;54;08 - 00;19;58;19
Woody Paige
What I'm calling already Mile-high Stadium three. As a. Yeah.
00;19;58;24 - 00;20;02;12
Ron Zappolo
What do you feel like? What corporate name are they going to slap on that one?
00;20;02;14 - 00;20;08;01
Tom Green
It's been a successful I mean, all the all the companies that have put their name on it, Invesco, I mean, they've all.
00;20;08;07 - 00;20;09;00
Ron Zappolo
Done really well.
00;20;09;00 - 00;20;09;29
Tom Green
Sports authority.
00;20;10;00 - 00;20;14;08
Speaker 1
No. Yeah. Power because they were this year last year.
00;20;14;11 - 00;20;17;04
Ron Zappolo
Mile High Stadium three. Well mile high three.
00;20;17;10 - 00;20;17;21
Woody Paige
Yeah.
00;20;17;21 - 00;20;19;13
Ron Zappolo
MH three we can shorten it.
00;20;19;13 - 00;20;21;13
Woody Paige
Yeah.
00;20;21;16 - 00;20;47;19
Tom Green
Obviously the Olympic Games have gotten underway and it's hard to keep track of everything, especially when we have European Olympiads like what's going on, when and what's happening. But things that we do know that have already happened. I think number one, so many people were fascinated by Lindsey Vonn's run to the Olympics, going in, first as a favorite, then as an injured skier, and then her run, which lasted all of 12, 15 seconds.
00;20;47;20 - 00;20;49;02
Woody Paige
I would give her this.
00;20;49;08 - 00;20;51;00
Speaker 1
It sure didn't back off.
00;20;51;08 - 00;21;15;26
Woody Paige
She was still the aggressive Lindsey Vonn, one that I covered since 1998 or something. So I give her great credit that she went ahead and participated, that she practiced well on a bad knee ACL and then doesn't let up even though she's not going to win and she said she missed by five inches hitting the spot she wanted.
00;21;15;26 - 00;21;22;14
Woody Paige
She ended up with a broken fibula. So, I agree with her father. It's it's time to,
00;21;22;17 - 00;21;38;04
Ron Zappolo
But I have a ton of respect for you. She's, like, all great athletes. She didn't give up. She didn't back off. She tried to overcome injury. And if that's the last we see of her, in that era, my my my hat is off to her.
00;21;38;08 - 00;21;48;05
Tom Green
I was surprised, and she reacted to criticism. And I'm thinking, like, who would criticize her for all she done for her sport, for herself?
00;21;48;05 - 00;21;57;27
Ron Zappolo
Well, as Michael Corleone once said, if history has taught us anything, people will criticize anybody at any time for anything.
00;21;57;29 - 00;22;10;04
Tom Green
I thought she was, you know, tremendous this year. But she suddenly came back, and then I thought she tore ACL. She felt she could still ski. And, you know, you look at she'd been winning, she'd been on the podium. You went down.
00;22;10;04 - 00;22;10;18
Ron Zappolo
Fighting.
00;22;10;22 - 00;22;12;19
Tom Green
Yeah. And she missed the gate. It's like.
00;22;12;19 - 00;22;13;15
Ron Zappolo
Yeah.
00;22;13;17 - 00;22;14;13
Tom Green
It's downhill ski.
00;22;14;13 - 00;22;39;19
Woody Paige
Racing. On the positive side, we're we. This is what I do say we we are off to a good start. I mean, we've we haven't had a cross-country. I mean, I wouldn't even go to see cross-country, but dozen or 14 that I've seen because we, we don't even factor. But we had a guy win a medal. Ben Ogden in second, second place in cross-country.
00;22;39;25 - 00;22;47;21
Woody Paige
And that's not our strength. That's you know, Sweden go into the 711 and they win all the time that.
00;22;47;24 - 00;23;16;19
Woody Paige
I think we're having a good show when you think, and I'm going to come back to run on this that we're accustomed to, Americans being booed in foreign countries all the way, but they're pulling for their talents or they're Spaniards or whatever. It might be the only place the American, athletes are being crucified.
00;23;16;22 - 00;23;18;13
Speaker 1
So, you know, we're.
00;23;18;15 - 00;23;25;23
Woody Paige
We're the only people booing America. That's right. Because of what they said, don't you? We're not even cheering for our team.
00;23;25;24 - 00;23;32;23
Ron Zappolo
I love what they said. Listen, what did you and I for years always complain about athletes that don't say.
00;23;32;23 - 00;23;33;22
Tom Green
Anything, right?
00;23;33;24 - 00;23;50;25
Ron Zappolo
You know, that are quote loss and the fact that these people are speaking out because they actually have a conscience and a soul. I have no problem with it. I don't have to agree or disagree. I respect the fact that they speak and they get asked these questions. Right. Yeah.
00;23;50;27 - 00;24;17;22
Woody Paige
And there have been cases in the past where there have been displays of issues that athletes in the Olympics know what I'm talking about. Mexico City, yeah, we were covering sports then, but that's the most famous one in history. But I have I've, I've heard throughout the history of the last 30 or 40 years or whatever covering them that, they usually do stay out of the limelight.
00;24;17;24 - 00;24;28;00
Woody Paige
But they were asked they responded to the questions. They didn't. They didn't get up on the platform and say, my first statement, you forget that I'm competing this week.
00;24;28;03 - 00;24;29;14
Ron Zappolo
They were asked a question.
00;24;29;14 - 00;24;46;15
Woody Paige
And guess who's going to be asked it? Coming up, the entire group of professional athletes from the world of hockey are going to be asked about it. Men's women's hockey Canada and United States are in a bow to the.
00;24;46;17 - 00;24;49;05
Tom Green
It'll it'll be them in the end. Of course. It always is.
00;24;49;05 - 00;25;10;03
Ron Zappolo
And you know what's playing I feel like and I, I feel like the Olympics and it's I know there's a million reasons why it doesn't feel the way it used to feel. You know, it's just there's a the feeling we get about the Olympics is far different than what we felt 40 or 50 years ago.
00;25;10;03 - 00;25;22;04
Tom Green
So the Olympics always even. And it's tougher in the Winter games, of course, but it creates stars. So breezy Johnson's profile is suddenly where it's never been. She's the Olympic downhill gold medalist.
00;25;22;05 - 00;25;22;25
Woody Paige
Follow up.
00;25;23;00 - 00;25;23;25
Tom Green
Julia mallon.
00;25;23;25 - 00;26;01;24
Woody Paige
And yeah, I have to say this, following up what you said. So I mean, Yugoslavia, which no longer exists, none of those, facilities where they played sports exist. They were bombed out of there. And that was, that was a tough situation there because of the control of the then Soviet Union over Yugoslavia. I mean, one of the few times of my life, particularly in my professional life, that on the first night of the Olympics in Yugoslavia, an American won and they instead of at the stadium, they did it downtown Sarajevo.
00;26;01;26 - 00;26;31;00
Woody Paige
And it was, a young woman skier. And I went and I cried as they raised the national anthem and I thought, this is incredible. There's not that to follow. What you say was not that same feeling. No, I can't imagine. I've known you guys for 2 or 3 decades, for decades that we would cry at any event, not just the Olympics, but I did, because that's when I had, that's a we are a great country.
00;26;31;02 - 00;26;57;16
Woody Paige
We are United States, we are behind our athletes. And it just, I've never had a, emotional moment. John Elway winning the Super Bowl. That was as close as I came to feeling. Right strong about something. But, that that's gone. Well, that is gone. It's gone. And it's not. It's not even the athletes fault. I mean, they're being pushed now in a direction that they don't know.
00;26;57;16 - 00;27;30;07
Ron Zappolo
It's not it's fault. And and you're right about saying that it is a great country we live in. We're all proud of it, and we're proud that our athletes can go to a foreign country and speak out when they're asked a question. But I think the problem with the Olympics, and it's no fault of the athletes, is I still remember feeling like you felt when I saw Jim Craig with the American flag draped over his back, tears coming down and looking for his father, you know, in the stands.
00;27;30;08 - 00;27;42;05
Tom Green
I just saw that new Netflix documentary about. It is terrific. It just came out again. So but I wonder how people who are 20 see that event now, whereas we we remember.
00;27;42;12 - 00;27;43;03
Ron Zappolo
The late when it.
00;27;43;03 - 00;27;45;20
Tom Green
Happened. Well, we're trying to make it relatable.
00;27;45;20 - 00;27;47;08
Ron Zappolo
Yeah. But it's hard if you didn't live it though.
00;27;47;09 - 00;27;47;18
Speaker 1
Yeah.
00;27;47;18 - 00;27;53;12
Woody Paige
And and I'm thinking the whole time that I have a feeling about 1960.
00;27;53;12 - 00;27;54;05
Speaker 1
Yeah.
00;27;54;07 - 00;27;55;02
Woody Paige
Because Squaw.
00;27;55;02 - 00;27;55;26
Tom Green
Valley, we.
00;27;55;28 - 00;28;02;07
Woody Paige
Beat the Russians in in that was a team that was amateurs, real amateurs.
00;28;02;07 - 00;28;03;12
Speaker 1
So that kind.
00;28;03;12 - 00;28;06;13
Tom Green
Of gets me to this year's Olympic hockey tournament.
00;28;06;20 - 00;28;07;24
Ron Zappolo
Which I'm really looking forward.
00;28;07;24 - 00;28;33;01
Tom Green
Which many? The men's tournament, I'll say, because the women are already playing. And again, it looks like the United States and Canada will meet. And the women's gold, it seems it may or may not happen, but it looks like that's a fait accompli. Then you look at the men's side where the same thing is expected to happen. So as far as who you root for here in Colorado, when you see Nathan MacKinnon and Devonte Waves and Kale MacArthur skating for Canada, do you root for Canada.
00;28;33;04 - 00;28;50;06
Tom Green
Do you root for Brock Nelson in the United States? Do you I mean the Finns. The Avs have eight players out there, but is it easier? Because I remember last in the Summer games when Jokic took on the Americans and I was rooting for Nikola. Yeah, I mean the American team I thought was here I took you know I.
00;28;50;06 - 00;28;51;09
Ron Zappolo
Like that same theory that.
00;28;51;09 - 00;28;53;28
Tom Green
I like. But I like the old coach I wanted him to win okay.
00;28;53;28 - 00;28;55;03
Ron Zappolo
To root for Nathan MacKinnon.
00;28;55;03 - 00;29;12;10
Woody Paige
But you you've got to be aware. Take your patriotic feelings and stick them for a moment. Because when the men's tournament teams from the United States and Canada play, you got to realize that whoever wins that game gets the bridge between.
00;29;12;10 - 00;29;16;22
Speaker 1
Canada and Detroit. And they get to name it. What are you gonna name it?
00;29;16;22 - 00;29;23;00
Ron Zappolo
And they get to name it. You know, I root for none of those guys to get hurt. I'm sure the Avs are holding their breath.
00;29;23;00 - 00;29;34;15
Woody Paige
I was, my old stories of Olympic, but I was in Japan, and I'm walking down the street in, whatever town that was. I should remember that.
00;29;34;18 - 00;29;35;15
Tom Green
Was Poro or.
00;29;35;15 - 00;29;38;00
Ron Zappolo
Sorry. It's been a while. Yeah, you're you're absolved.
00;29;38;00 - 00;30;08;18
Woody Paige
Okay. At night, I'm walking down the main street and I hear Woody. Woody, nobody knows me in Japan. It's Joe. Cycled. And he's way below hockey. Players are such nice guys. He's waving and, wishing well and everything. And he gets hurt in the Olympics and he can't finish. And he was one of the top three, four players in the world at the time and, that that lived with him for a long time because that was such an important thing, because he was from Canada and wanting.
00;30;08;18 - 00;30;10;27
Woody Paige
Sure. That was the first time.
00;30;10;28 - 00;30;17;25
Tom Green
Nagano. Yeah. And you think you but you were like the curse. He was fine until he saw you and then he got hurt. Interesting.
00;30;17;25 - 00;30;22;14
Woody Paige
No, I think it's a curse to have lived in that town.
00;30;22;15 - 00;30;23;16
Tom Green
Hey, two things I really.
00;30;23;16 - 00;30;24;28
Woody Paige
Like poisoned history.
00;30;24;28 - 00;30;27;20
Tom Green
I like mixed drinks and mixed curling.
00;30;27;23 - 00;30;28;24
Speaker 1
Mixed curling.
00;30;28;24 - 00;30;31;23
Woody Paige
Is that this? That is the story of the Olympics so far.
00;30;31;23 - 00;30;34;04
Tom Green
It's everyone. Every four years we fall in love with.
00;30;34;05 - 00;30;53;19
Woody Paige
And I made you ask the question, which I'm going to ask is, who's the only person here that actually saw the first Olympic curling? That's not me. And I want to tell the story. If you ever want to know, send me a, DM or something. I'll tell you about the whole thing. Being the only guy on the bus, going up to this town to see curling.
00;30;53;19 - 00;31;06;18
Woody Paige
Because I'd never seen it to know anything about it. And I described it as a cross between, shuffleboard and cleaning out your garage in April. But it but it's it's become kind of a darling of people.
00;31;06;18 - 00;31;07;10
Ron Zappolo
It had because.
00;31;07;12 - 00;31;42;06
Woody Paige
A lot of people thought when I first saw it, I thought anybody could do this because they said, fireman from Buffalo. Yeah, they sent a team. Yeah. And now they have mixed doubles. We're we're playing for the championship about now. Right. And the great upset over Italy that was expected to win and curling I was in Norway and the only when I wasn't covering events the in my dorm room or whatever, the only thing I could get on television was curling.
00;31;42;06 - 00;31;42;16
Speaker 1
Yeah.
00;31;42;19 - 00;31;46;04
Woody Paige
And so at night when I go back, I'd watch, like. And so it's.
00;31;46;07 - 00;31;54;19
Tom Green
I like sports where you can enjoy a beverage while you play golf, bowling and curling. Don't you think? Like what other sports those three would be?
00;31;54;22 - 00;31;57;02
Ron Zappolo
Bowling and curling? No. It's good.
00;31;57;04 - 00;32;00;06
Woody Paige
There are other. You could smoke. You can smoke marijuana.
00;32;00;06 - 00;32;01;21
Ron Zappolo
You could do cigarets.
00;32;01;24 - 00;32;06;04
Woody Paige
Gummy bears. You could lie, cheat, move your ball.
00;32;06;07 - 00;32;06;24
Speaker 1
That's your life.
00;32;07;01 - 00;32;15;08
Woody Paige
That's the only thing in curling that curling has it. Golf doesn't is you don't. You really don't. I don't know what is. Shove.
00;32;15;11 - 00;32;17;09
Ron Zappolo
What do they call that? I don't even know what the.
00;32;17;10 - 00;32;18;06
Tom Green
You get the stone.
00;32;18;09 - 00;32;19;02
Woody Paige
It doesn't go in.
00;32;19;02 - 00;32;20;16
Ron Zappolo
Stone, but I don't know all the other.
00;32;20;16 - 00;32;21;23
Woody Paige
It doesn't go out of.
00;32;21;25 - 00;32;25;27
Tom Green
The pebble of the ice. Is important. And then shot rock is.
00;32;26;05 - 00;32;42;10
Woody Paige
And now the lights. I when I first started covering it, there were not lights that were determining foul and fair. You know, now, if it turns green, it's your couch. Yeah, but if you just barely go past the line, it turns red and you got to say.
00;32;42;12 - 00;32;51;17
Tom Green
You can't foul, you can't go over the line. Hey, pitchers and catchers are coming up, so we'll we'll get to the Rockies because everyone's excited. About that.
00;32;51;17 - 00;33;02;24
Tom Green
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00;33;02;26 - 00;33;19;28
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00;34;02;13 - 00;34;06;00
Tom Green
Well, last night we watched before you.
00;34;06;03 - 00;34;19;22
Woody Paige
We've now done 3334 shows. Could be you and I cross our legs like this. He, Ron kind of does this right. And I'm wondering, because you and I are doing it, we could actually.
00;34;19;22 - 00;34;20;25
Ron Zappolo
Show like you. We could.
00;34;20;25 - 00;34;22;02
Woody Paige
Start. No, we could.
00;34;22;05 - 00;34;25;00
Ron Zappolo
We start getting some new you to look like he.
00;34;25;02 - 00;34;26;08
Tom Green
We all have to move them together.
00;34;26;08 - 00;34;29;11
Ron Zappolo
Yeah, I get some look like he was crunching.
00;34;29;16 - 00;34;40;20
Woody Paige
One, but I thought you're smarter than the two of us because we're we're possibly experiencing bodily harm. The way we cross our legs do don't. But I'm wondering if.
00;34;40;23 - 00;34;41;08
Ron Zappolo
To you I'm.
00;34;41;08 - 00;34;48;12
Woody Paige
Not following up on your entire, idea for the show today, but should we, like, sit like this.
00;34;48;14 - 00;34;50;17
Speaker 1
With her? Oh, man. Like with,
00;34;50;20 - 00;34;53;18
Woody Paige
With our hands. Let's see what should do. The kind of like.
00;34;53;20 - 00;34;55;06
Ron Zappolo
One time goes like this. Once in a.
00;34;55;06 - 00;34;56;24
Tom Green
While, I got. Well, I.
00;34;56;27 - 00;34;57;02
Ron Zappolo
Thought.
00;34;57;02 - 00;34;57;14
Tom Green
About.
00;34;57;20 - 00;34;59;05
Ron Zappolo
You know, if we were home.
00;34;59;08 - 00;35;00;02
Speaker 1
Yeah.
00;35;00;05 - 00;35;01;25
Ron Zappolo
We could go like that.
00;35;01;27 - 00;35;11;05
Tom Green
Well, with that, I would like to mention our friends at Furniture Row who once again have been kind enough to donate all our furniture and not to donate. Donate would be for free.
00;35;11;05 - 00;35;20;09
Woody Paige
I've just brushed on. I took the plant from behind and put on I did. We we want you to send us something. What? If you send us something? We'll put it on the coffee back there.
00;35;20;09 - 00;35;21;00
Ron Zappolo
We need a Ron.
00;35;21;01 - 00;35;22;04
Tom Green
Would probably like an espresso.
00;35;22;04 - 00;35;25;15
Ron Zappolo
I think we should. I wouldn't mind that either. So not wired enough.
00;35;25;15 - 00;35;26;24
Woody Paige
The Rockies are reporting.
00;35;26;24 - 00;35;49;13
Tom Green
Oh, no. No, we can do the Rockies because look at them off last night we we saw the nuggets take a W and turn it into an L and a magic trick in the last couple of minutes. And you wonder as they try to get to the All-Star break, what do you make of the nuggets right now. Because here they are, a team unlike any other nugget team in the past, far more effective on the road than at home.
00;35;49;13 - 00;35;50;24
Tom Green
And another one got away last night.
00;35;50;24 - 00;35;55;22
Ron Zappolo
Well I walked in here pissed off about. I know you did. You're wound up. I was wound up. Now I'm not as well.
00;35;55;23 - 00;35;59;15
Woody Paige
You know, when you watched it today, what the final score was.
00;35;59;18 - 00;36;00;27
Ron Zappolo
119 to 1.
00;36;00;27 - 00;36;04;10
Woody Paige
Seven. No, no, I you saw it this morning to you. You said no.
00;36;04;10 - 00;36;06;01
Ron Zappolo
No I watched the last night.
00;36;06;02 - 00;36;08;09
Woody Paige
I thought you said I just watched it.
00;36;08;09 - 00;36;09;23
Ron Zappolo
No, I watched the last night.
00;36;09;25 - 00;36;15;11
Woody Paige
Because the worst thing I do is I tape things right. And then I got to spend six.
00;36;15;11 - 00;36;16;29
Ron Zappolo
Hours trying to. Yeah.
00;36;16;29 - 00;36;18;16
Tom Green
Not shuttle through it.
00;36;18;16 - 00;36;28;08
Woody Paige
And. And I walk into a grocery store. We're kind of no new people woke up here. Can you believe what the nuggets did tonight? Don't say that to me.
00;36;28;08 - 00;36;35;05
Ron Zappolo
I, I haven't looked at it yet. Listen, it's a game they should have won. And again.
00;36;35;09 - 00;36;36;19
Woody Paige
That they should have won the two on the road.
00;36;36;19 - 00;37;00;26
Ron Zappolo
Yes, they should have. They been in all these games and I know they're injured, I get it. And I'm not critical of Nikola Jokic was the best player in the world. And I absolutely love watching him gut take more than 11 shots. That that's not enough shots. You got to dominate that position against Jared Allen. And at the end of the game the right basketball play he made was to throw it out to Tim Hardaway for three I don't want Tim Hardaway shooting the three.
00;37;00;29 - 00;37;13;21
Ron Zappolo
I want Jokic doing one of a number of things he can do to put the ball in the basket. And I think sometimes and this is a ridiculous criticism. What he's just too unselfish.
00;37;13;23 - 00;37;26;19
Woody Paige
You had a timeout left. You still had a timeout left. There's only point nine seconds. You're not going to be able to do much. But it took them 4 or 5 seconds. And what they did was throw it to him in the corner where he's got to do a turnaround.
00;37;26;20 - 00;37;29;07
Ron Zappolo
It which you can't foul, but you can't.
00;37;29;07 - 00;37;35;26
Tom Green
Be that way. It's the last two minutes when you have the game in your pocket. Yes. It's not just those last.
00;37;35;26 - 00;37;37;20
Ron Zappolo
Plays, it's everything that leads up to.
00;37;37;20 - 00;37;40;00
Tom Green
That. Yeah, they game should have been over.
00;37;40;02 - 00;37;44;04
Woody Paige
Are you criticizing the coach? Is he,
00;37;44;06 - 00;38;00;15
Tom Green
Unlike Ron, I didn't get to watch the game as closely. So I, you know, again, just skimming through it. So I would be irresponsible to criticize the coach, but I think I like to think that we're watching David Adelman become the head coach. David Adelman will be this the first time he's ridden this ride?
00;38;00;18 - 00;38;06;12
Ron Zappolo
Yeah, but is that what you want for a team that's on the this talented and with the chance to win a championship?
00;38;06;12 - 00;38;08;25
Tom Green
Well, I mean, was there a better option? Was there.
00;38;08;25 - 00;38;09;24
Ron Zappolo
That. Good question.
00;38;09;24 - 00;38;12;28
Tom Green
Because I mean people always want to fire the coach. I'm going to who you got.
00;38;13;01 - 00;38;33;28
Ron Zappolo
I don't want to fire the coach. And I'm with you on. Don't fire the coach unless you know if there's somebody better out there. But when you have a veteran team like this and I think David Adelman, for the most part has done a good job, especially with all the injuries. Yeah, he's done a good job. I don't know if he is the right coach to get the nuggets to where they should go.
00;38;34;00 - 00;38;52;19
Tom Green
These two teams, though, this second half of these seasons are going to be so important. The Avs need to get their mojo back after the Olympic break. And they're going to be playing every night the way the NHL schedule works out. And for the nuggets, it's going to be one of those things where we talked about the seeding this year is going to be really important.
00;38;52;22 - 00;38;58;17
Tom Green
So where you where are you going to end up if one is gone, which most people think it is, do you want to be 2 or 3?
00;38;58;17 - 00;39;08;25
Ron Zappolo
But the good thing for the nuggets, you know, a month ago we were sitting here saying, hey OKC, looks like you know. And now all of a sudden there's the door is a little.
00;39;09;02 - 00;39;17;16
Tom Green
You know, cracked open. It's the mid-season blahs for a lot of teams. But that they hopefully they get a win over Memphis.
00;39;17;19 - 00;39;20;21
Speaker 1
Well but come on now.
00;39;20;21 - 00;39;22;20
Ron Zappolo
Well I mean, you can't lose.
00;39;22;22 - 00;39;28;26
Tom Green
14 and 11 at home isn't exactly scaring people. Not you know, I think, well, we can't go to bowl arena.
00;39;28;29 - 00;39;33;13
Ron Zappolo
Conversely, when the playoffs come, they're not going to be intimidated going on the road.
00;39;33;14 - 00;39;35;11
Tom Green
Yeah well we'll see.
00;39;35;13 - 00;39;41;23
Woody Paige
Well but you oversee a seven game series and go who they get four at home. That scares you.
00;39;41;24 - 00;39;42;24
Speaker 1
Yeah.
00;39;42;26 - 00;39;45;04
Tom Green
Oh no it's trouble there.
00;39;45;08 - 00;39;52;25
Woody Paige
This season is like the National Hockey League in the playoffs where it doesn't matter whether you're playing at home or on the road yes I agree.
00;39;52;27 - 00;40;10;07
Ron Zappolo
You know they still we almost forget this Woody I think they still have the fifth best record in the NBA. I just it isn't like they're, you know, oh my God. It's just that when we see games like last night, it for me anyway, creates doubt.
00;40;10;10 - 00;40;31;14
Woody Paige
And it's been so many like that. Yes. At home that they let it get away I think I ask you, you said you're not going to criticize a coach. You didn't see the game last night, but I see like, right, right. And you I see most of them. And I go, you got to change up because you are letting games get it away.
00;40;31;16 - 00;40;38;25
Woody Paige
So you talked about last two minutes. Last three minutes. I'm looking at the middle of the fourth quarter. Yeah. And thinking.
00;40;38;27 - 00;40;39;09
Ron Zappolo
That they.
00;40;39;09 - 00;40;43;05
Woody Paige
Need to get 15 points ahead. Yep. This is when.
00;40;43;05 - 00;40;44;05
Ron Zappolo
You lower the hammer.
00;40;44;05 - 00;41;15;28
Woody Paige
Put the thumb on them. Yep. And they didn't do that. They kept playing. You let teams they let teams stay around. And here's what the other and you said earlier you'd like to see statistics on the last 3 or 4 minutes. I'd like to see the statistics on how many three points pointers are being made by the visiting team in the last quarter, because they aren't protecting the ring, they're not protecting that overall area.
00;41;16;03 - 00;41;36;29
Woody Paige
And and I thought last night at the very end, there's one guy on the court for the Cleveland Cavaliers. You've got to double or triple team him like they will do with Jokic. And they didn't do it. They didn't do a one on one situation. He drives to the basket and ends. What's a perfect night for him.
00;41;37;03 - 00;41;55;00
Tom Green
Big puzzle for them down the stretch. They're going to continue to play these different lineups because of the health issues. So we'll see where they do end up getting seated. And then maybe in the last couple of weeks of the season, they might be able to put their full team on the floor and go to the playoffs. The other.
00;41;55;00 - 00;41;55;09
Ron Zappolo
Thing I.
00;41;55;09 - 00;41;56;12
Tom Green
Fear, but what's that going to.
00;41;56;12 - 00;42;14;05
Ron Zappolo
Look like? I fear that they've had so many injuries now and now with Peyton Watson out indefinitely, who is having such a marvelous year? I fear a little bit that it might be one of those years where they have too many injuries to overcome.
00;42;14;05 - 00;42;29;14
Woody Paige
We talked about Louis Wright earlier, and there was a year where he got hurt in the exhibition games in San Francisco, a really bad turf that they used to have. Players hated playing there and their whole season.
00;42;29;14 - 00;42;30;27
Ron Zappolo
Collapsed, kind of just.
00;42;30;29 - 00;42;52;16
Woody Paige
As a result of that. And I believe that you are onto something, that it's just a year where it's just because of so many guys getting hurt trying to. All those combinations have worked pretty well every ten and six. When. Yeah. When Jokic was out. But there's something smelly. There's something that's.
00;42;52;16 - 00;42;54;24
Tom Green
Not hamstrings too. They never get right.
00;42;54;24 - 00;43;15;29
Woody Paige
We've got now we talked about Doug Moe before. And he did what an assistant coach. He just wanted somebody to have breakfast with. But they now got 17 coaches. And I feel sorry for some of those coaches because they're like in the fourth row you're behind about a thousand people and they're trying to, you know, hand a piece of paper to the head coach and say, you know, try this.
00;43;16;02 - 00;43;36;19
Woody Paige
Somebody needs to be a special teams coach like a football. You go, what are you talking about? In basketball, somebody has got to be concentrating on the last five minutes of the game or something. Not the head coach, someone among that group. It's like a church choir back here needs to be in charge of saying, hey, here's my tab.
00;43;36;26 - 00;43;46;08
Woody Paige
I come down with the blackboard. I'm saying what we're going to do. Here's what I'm seeing from the third row is they're making seven three pointers in a row.
00;43;46;10 - 00;44;07;18
Tom Green
Hello, coach. We do see that with Jeff Van Gundy on the sideline as one of the assistant coaches. You know who is he's in charge of how they play defense. And but here's the thing. Now the advantage of having so many assistant coaches is say there's a big brawl between the Hornets and Pistons. The 30 coaches came running out on the floor to break up the fight.
00;44;07;18 - 00;44;09;06
Tom Green
It was great. It was.
00;44;09;09 - 00;44;25;04
Ron Zappolo
I happened to be watching that game. You know I'm a retired guy with the NBA League pass. It's bad. And I like the the Hornets were hot. They won like nine in a row. And I loved it because I'm so I'm kind of so tired of after a game. It's this love.
00;44;25;04 - 00;44;25;22
Woody Paige
Fest where.
00;44;25;22 - 00;44;26;26
Ron Zappolo
Everybody goes oh.
00;44;26;29 - 00;44;27;08
Speaker 1
Yeah.
00;44;27;08 - 00;44;29;06
Ron Zappolo
The hogs and the kiss is.
00;44;29;06 - 00;44;30;01
Tom Green
Not the case.
00;44;30;04 - 00;44;41;17
Ron Zappolo
That wasn't exactly the case. There was some good old faction. Fuck you. And you know what? As a basketball fan, I kind of liked it. Not the fighting were there. No one got hurt. But it was a.
00;44;41;23 - 00;44;43;12
Tom Green
Well, Isaiah Stewart's going to get a little.
00;44;43;15 - 00;44;45;02
Ron Zappolo
He's going to get some time off. Yeah.
00;44;45;02 - 00;44;55;19
Woody Paige
Yo it's just the best player in the world. Not at the end of last night. But he makes a point to go see everybody on the other. Yeah he does. He doesn't wait for them I mean he's.
00;44;55;22 - 00;44;56;13
Ron Zappolo
Right.
00;44;56;15 - 00;45;02;01
Woody Paige
There on the throne. They should be coming to you. Yeah but he's he's he's going down.
00;45;02;01 - 00;45;06;06
Tom Green
We just hate it when he's classy and nice. I hate that you know that.
00;45;06;08 - 00;45;07;11
Ron Zappolo
He is who he is.
00;45;07;12 - 00;45;09;03
Tom Green
You know, he's just he's a love.
00;45;09;05 - 00;45;10;11
Ron Zappolo
He's perfect.
00;45;10;11 - 00;45;14;00
Tom Green
He's a loving out of fighter. And maybe his brothers could come out.
00;45;14;02 - 00;45;14;16
Speaker 1
And beat.
00;45;14;16 - 00;45;16;26
Ron Zappolo
The hell out of somebody and somebody better.
00;45;16;26 - 00;45;38;28
Woody Paige
Yeah. Always says I was well known on ESPN for always saying, well, look at the schedule, guys. Well, they've got a pretty tough schedule coming out of the All-Star game. Talking about the nuggets coming out of the All-Star game. They have a lot coming out of, not the All-Star game coming out of the Olympics. The avalanche have a disgusting schedule of playing.
00;45;39;00 - 00;45;41;18
Woody Paige
Yeah, every other day for the rest of the year.
00;45;41;20 - 00;45;47;03
Tom Green
They're like at the top of the NHL will be challenged, to say the least. Coming back, they've had a.
00;45;47;06 - 00;45;48;19
Woody Paige
27 in 54.
00;45;48;19 - 00;45;51;02
Tom Green
Days and something like that. It's a it's a really.
00;45;51;05 - 00;45;54;13
Ron Zappolo
At least it's somewhat similar for.
00;45;54;16 - 00;46;18;11
Tom Green
Everybody. Yeah, yeah I know everybody's in the same boat. Thursday big day around here because pitchers and catchers will report, down to, salt River. So the Rockies will be kicking off the 2026 season with a new management structure, with a lineup that might have some anonymous people in it that people, even Rockies fans, may not know yet.
00;46;18;13 - 00;46;27;28
Tom Green
With a rotation that has changed a little bit and with, anticipation of what, 100 losses?
00;46;27;28 - 00;46;32;26
Woody Paige
I read Thomas Harding, good guy, good writer, writes for the.
00;46;32;26 - 00;46;34;17
Tom Green
Rockies, MLB basically.
00;46;34;19 - 00;46;57;22
Woody Paige
Yeah. And he did a in-depth piece about what he thought would be the starting day lineup. And I looked at that and he mentioned this, that they're trying to get back to what they always want to do drafting, develop. Remember that. Yeah. That's the year after year after year. They're not drafting and developing. They're bringing in guys from Korea.
00;46;57;23 - 00;47;13;06
Woody Paige
I mean I don't even I've looked at that that a lot of but I go I don't know this guy. I don't know anything about him. I just want to make one point and I'm going to back off and let you guys have it. Because I've reported the Rockies every day of my life. I notice that in the bathroom.
00;47;13;06 - 00;47;13;29
Tom Green
I've noticed in.
00;47;13;29 - 00;47;15;19
Speaker 1
The mirror on.
00;47;15;19 - 00;47;40;20
Woody Paige
Twitter, I am the worst of people. Go, there we go. We're not loaded, he said. The biggest rivalry in Denver sports is between Dick Martin. What he pays. You go get guys that can hit 50 home runs. That's what you do. I really that story is that Wade's got really good speed. Say, don't ever lead anybody in stolen bases.
00;47;40;20 - 00;48;03;26
Woody Paige
You don't depend on stolen bases at altitude. What you do is you go back to what did succeed. What succeeded was four guys hitting 40 home runs every year. That's what you do have any of these guys, they've signed guys that could hit 40 home runs? No. They're hoping these guys hit 28 home runs. For them to be successful at altitude.
00;48;03;26 - 00;48;21;25
Woody Paige
You take care of altitude with the nuggets they're not doing and I'm not talking about the network altitude. You got to have 3 or 4 guys that hit 35 to 45 a guy. There should be a guy in Denver that is challenging. 60 home runs. Why don't you go get those guys and you got new people in now.
00;48;21;25 - 00;48;40;12
Woody Paige
And I want to go up to them, and I don't slap people in the face, but I would I would make a motion, maybe threaten them. No I don't. Well I do that in print and on here on the show. But, you know, both of you look at me like I'm an idiot, but you don't agree with me.
00;48;40;12 - 00;48;40;27
Speaker 1
No, I.
00;48;40;27 - 00;48;42;12
Ron Zappolo
Agree with you. I like the fact you.
00;48;42;12 - 00;48;42;28
Woody Paige
They're talking about.
00;48;42;28 - 00;49;02;29
Ron Zappolo
Pitch, but I think they speak. You're you're using your credibility to uplift the Rockies. I think you're better off ignoring them. I'll say it again. I've said it. I know you guys disagree. It's not on us to drum up interest in the Rockies. It's on the Rockies to drum up interest for us. They're one of the worst organizations in professional sports.
00;49;03;06 - 00;49;25;13
Ron Zappolo
They're now trying to go four consecutive years with 100 losses, which they'll achieve. And to your point, good point. That kid that just signed with the Reds who he Neal Suarez one year 15 million. He hit 49 home runs last year. If nothing else he would have been fun to watch this summer. But no, because that's probably not.
00;49;25;15 - 00;49;52;23
Ron Zappolo
Who knows what they think. I just let them do something to get all the baseball fans excited. Why should we give them any credence or credibility they've had? Like three games in 50 years. They don't give a damn. They never get rid of anybody. They don't care. They're insular. They're they're a perfect example of how not to run a professional sports franchise.
00;49;52;25 - 00;50;20;04
Ron Zappolo
They're the book on it. And if you guys disagree, that's fine. But I strongly believe they're killing baseball in Denver. They've been doing it year after year after year, and we all have friends that work for him, I get that. But let's just call it like it is. They're an embarrassment and we wouldn't let any other franchise in Denver get away with what we let them get away with.
00;50;20;04 - 00;50;37;20
Ron Zappolo
And if we're going to spend our time on this show, why not talk about deal hockey? You're c you basketball. Things that are people with they're trying to win. They're not trying to win over there. Tell me they are either of you. Tell me they're actually trying to win.
00;50;37;22 - 00;50;42;24
Tom Green
Well, obviously I think it's there are a lot of people there who try to win, but they're so.
00;50;42;27 - 00;50;44;23
Ron Zappolo
Not in important positions.
00;50;44;25 - 00;50;45;20
Tom Green
Yeah, I don't, I don't.
00;50;45;24 - 00;50;50;14
Woody Paige
Well, look, they have done and I've called out for this for.
00;50;50;15 - 00;51;02;28
Ron Zappolo
You have. And my kid always tells me Woody is the best it getting on the Rockies in all of Denver because he. What? He follows you on Twitter and says you're incessantly on them. So I tip my cap to you.
00;51;03;03 - 00;51;06;22
Woody Paige
Yeah. And it's not like that's the only thing I ever.
00;51;06;25 - 00;51;08;27
Ron Zappolo
But he always tells me what he's great.
00;51;08;27 - 00;51;19;24
Woody Paige
He doesn't try to be as ugly. And. Yeah, but two things. One is they did go. They finally went got somebody outside the organization that.
00;51;19;25 - 00;51;20;09
Ron Zappolo
Is we've.
00;51;20;15 - 00;51;23;22
Woody Paige
We've all talked about that for ten years. Go get.
00;51;23;24 - 00;51;24;12
Tom Green
Anybody.
00;51;24;19 - 00;51;28;09
Woody Paige
Anyone was somebody hired him.
00;51;28;11 - 00;51;31;13
Tom Green
Yeah. You know he's a West Coast scout for somebody.
00;51;31;15 - 00;51;32;02
Ron Zappolo
Scout. Yeah.
00;51;32;10 - 00;51;36;04
Woody Paige
Yeah. But but the other thing is.
00;51;36;07 - 00;51;45;14
Woody Paige
Dick Mumford has already killed baseball. You're not killing it. You've killed baseball in Denver. Guess what? He's going to kill next. Major League.
00;51;45;14 - 00;51;46;04
Speaker 1
Baseball.
00;51;46;10 - 00;51;49;11
Woody Paige
Because he's going to be in charge of the owners side.
00;51;49;12 - 00;51;49;26
Ron Zappolo
He got on.
00;51;49;26 - 00;52;14;13
Woody Paige
Give me give me a break. He's going to be in charge on the owner side of trying to come up with a new collective bargaining agreement. Guess what? He's going to. He's going to kill a sport. Nobody is killed. A sport in this country since Trump killed the United States Football League. And that is a true story. He killed it because he decided while he owned the new Jersey Rens or whatever.
00;52;14;13 - 00;52;15;27
Ron Zappolo
They were, the general that we were going.
00;52;15;27 - 00;52;25;29
Woody Paige
To go play at the same time as the NFL did. You had a nice little spot in the spring. Would people would maybe pay attention to you? Just he's got a great deal.
00;52;26;01 - 00;52;27;21
Ron Zappolo
Tommy Uku Sugano.
00;52;27;29 - 00;52;29;15
Tom Green
Oh, they got Tomoyuki Sugano.
00;52;29;15 - 00;52;32;14
Ron Zappolo
Man. That's right. Everything forget. Well, here's another thing.
00;52;32;14 - 00;52;45;12
Woody Paige
I'm going to tweet this today. They don't sign anybody whose name they can't pronounce. That is the truth. Have they signed anybody that is of Asian background I think.
00;52;45;18 - 00;52;49;04
Speaker 1
Got to talk smack smack speak.
00;52;49;11 - 00;52;50;28
Woody Paige
Well they just got him. Yeah.
00;52;51;00 - 00;52;51;28
Ron Zappolo
They just signed him.
00;52;51;28 - 00;52;53;09
Tom Green
That's him with his Baltimore.
00;52;53;14 - 00;52;54;16
Woody Paige
How do you pronounce it? Like.
00;52;54;16 - 00;53;01;10
Ron Zappolo
Oh, I'm sure they got it. So he's the ace. I don't know if he throws left. I think it was the ace.
00;53;01;16 - 00;53;02;21
Tom Green
It appeared to be right in that.
00;53;02;24 - 00;53;05;16
Ron Zappolo
Yeah. That that picture could have been turned.
00;53;05;18 - 00;53;09;28
Woody Paige
Up to date. We are. While I'm saying it, they do something like this Sunday.
00;53;09;28 - 00;53;10;23
Speaker 1
Oh good.
00;53;10;24 - 00;53;11;22
Ron Zappolo
For them.
00;53;11;24 - 00;53;12;05
Woody Paige
So what if.
00;53;12;05 - 00;53;15;12
Tom Green
They did like, see they had signed a Suarez.
00;53;15;15 - 00;53;16;09
Ron Zappolo
It wouldn't work.
00;53;16;12 - 00;53;20;14
Tom Green
Or Luis Suarez who could hit 400 here, you know, and you get one of these guys off the.
00;53;20;14 - 00;53;21;04
Ron Zappolo
Something the.
00;53;21;07 - 00;53;22;16
Tom Green
Kyle something.
00;53;22;16 - 00;53;23;09
Speaker 1
To watch.
00;53;23;09 - 00;53;27;00
Tom Green
And I don't think Suarez or Arroyo signed for it like crazy money.
00;53;27;00 - 00;53;42;02
Ron Zappolo
Your baseball fan. Was there anything compelling about the Rockies to watch last year? Was there anybody that you sat down to watch? The Rockies, which I never did and said to yourself, wow, this is worth my 2 hours or 3 hours? No.
00;53;42;04 - 00;53;53;09
Tom Green
The losing, though, to me, became magnetic to me when they were on a pace to lose 125 games or something. It was like I thought that was interesting because it is a story and.
00;53;53;09 - 00;53;58;27
Ron Zappolo
It was interesting. That's interesting to see that kind of. Yeah, okay.
00;53;58;27 - 00;54;00;28
Woody Paige
Tom, they screwed that up.
00;54;00;28 - 00;54;04;15
Speaker 1
I know everybody could do what they got. Team people.
00;54;04;15 - 00;54;07;19
Woody Paige
Paying attention saying, oh, this is his story, but you.
00;54;07;19 - 00;54;18;02
Ron Zappolo
Make a good point, okay. And what he did to do if you're not going to be any good okay. Signed somebody like that guy Suarez or Alvarez. The guy here's.
00;54;18;07 - 00;54;30;05
Tom Green
Here's why I say you do it is not just watch them chase 60 homeruns or to hit 400, but you also get to the All-Star break. And if they're having that kind of a year, you have something to trade to get.
00;54;30;05 - 00;54;51;20
Ron Zappolo
Not only that, not only that, if you're asking people to go to the ballpark, if you would sign that guy, Suarez might have hit 65 home runs and you force field and I could take my grandkids and say, look at this guy. He may break the all time record. I know he's not a great player, but he's a reason to go to the ballpark.
00;54;51;23 - 00;54;54;06
Ron Zappolo
There's no reason to go to the ballpark now.
00;54;54;08 - 00;55;15;10
Woody Paige
Tyler Freeman if every three years ago, if you were in charge of the world, you called me and you said, Woody, I want you to be the general manager for the last 40 games of the year. What would you do? I would have signed Ohtani, you know, for he was on a track to possibly break all the records.
00;55;15;12 - 00;55;21;29
Woody Paige
And someone wrote that to Dick Monfort, who replied to him and said, well, it's an interesting idea.
00;55;22;01 - 00;55;26;03
Ron Zappolo
That's a no I can't do. Usually Dick's replies are a little more saucy than that, but.
00;55;26;03 - 00;55;50;24
Woody Paige
He was saying it. But he was just he was just humoring the guy when. But that is that is a point here. It started the first year they went out, got Dale Murphy, the who was two home runs away, 398, 400 is two home runs. Nicest guy in the world. I'd talk to him. He remembered everybody's name, people in the stands you could name.
00;55;50;26 - 00;56;13;15
Woody Paige
And you got rid of him when? That would have given you something at the end of the season for a reason, for people to come, go. Can he get to 400 in this game? They went ahead and cut him. Fired him in Houston in a ball. I remember Lou was staying in a ball. Hotel. That's the way two words.
00;56;13;18 - 00;56;16;18
Woody Paige
Then we'll go on to something else Chris Bryant.
00;56;16;20 - 00;56;18;08
Tom Green
Take him take him to the mall in Houston.
00;56;18;10 - 00;56;41;03
Ron Zappolo
One thing to what he said, and he's right. And the Rockies were never great in the 90s, but they had people that were fun to go to the ballpark. It was fun to watch Galarraga. It was fun to watch. It was fun to watch Vinnie Costilla take a fastball to right center field. It was fun to watch Ellis Burks they were fun.
00;56;41;05 - 00;56;42;28
Ron Zappolo
There's none of that now.
00;56;43;03 - 00;56;55;06
Tom Green
There's none of those guys you all you mentioned were and stayed major leaguers the last years lineup. You looked at that and 100. Goodman became a major leaguer and they got.
00;56;55;06 - 00;56;56;02
Ron Zappolo
1 or 2 major league.
00;56;56;02 - 00;56;58;20
Tom Green
But yeah, you look at the rest of them, they're just gone. You know what.
00;56;58;23 - 00;57;22;26
Ron Zappolo
Those guys all played under the Bob Gebhart Don Baylor tandem. And you can say whatever you want about those guys. Baylor rest his soul. They were competitive. They wanted to win. They didn't want to be a shitty expansion team. And they made an effort. And you could tell that at least they were trying. And they signed people and they tried to excite the fan base.
00;57;22;26 - 00;57;25;24
Ron Zappolo
I feel none of that well right now.
00;57;25;24 - 00;57;33;09
Woody Paige
But the reason why we're talking about it today is their reporting this week. And it didn't it I think it sneaked up on people.
00;57;33;10 - 00;57;34;19
Ron Zappolo
I think it they don't.
00;57;34;19 - 00;57;36;28
Woody Paige
They report like a month and a half now or something.
00;57;36;28 - 00;57;37;19
Ron Zappolo
Pitchers and they're.
00;57;37;19 - 00;57;57;27
Woody Paige
Playing. They go and play a game in like a week and a half. Maybe the most pitchers and catchers have already reported. And I look at that lineup and I go, they got a shortstop. They got a center field head off year. He's a defensive great defensive player for the they've got a catcher. That's three. How many starting pitchers they have.
00;57;58;00 - 00;58;00;05
Ron Zappolo
Well they got that the Japanese Sugano.
00;58;00;05 - 00;58;10;03
Tom Green
But they had the Michael Lorenzen they signed him and and of course it's always Kyle Freeland the local favorite. You know he's probably the top of that. He's probably the top of the rotation guy right now. Yeah.
00;58;10;03 - 00;58;12;10
Woody Paige
But how many did Freeland.
00;58;12;12 - 00;58;13;27
Tom Green
Lose I don't remember, but.
00;58;13;27 - 00;58;15;03
Woody Paige
Nobody something like.
00;58;15;06 - 00;58;18;11
Tom Green
That. There were plenty to plenty of but he's changing is.
00;58;18;13 - 00;58;22;06
Ron Zappolo
But hey, I you know what? I don't watch the games. But I will read about it.
00;58;22;06 - 00;58;37;17
Woody Paige
So follow them. If they actually keep Kris Bryant through spring training, I'm not going to go to spring training game. I'm not going to go to game all year long if they just don't take their tonic.
00;58;37;19 - 00;58;41;29
Ron Zappolo
That's what you said a couple weeks ago that they got to do what the angels did with Rendon.
00;58;42;00 - 00;58;53;11
Tom Green
They got a there's a 40 man roster. Every one of those spots is precious on every professional major league team. And he's taken one up for years now. And they know they need to eat it.
00;58;53;16 - 00;58;54;11
Ron Zappolo
Major league teams.
00;58;54;11 - 00;59;11;11
Woody Paige
He's the Anaheim. He's the anti-Bush, yet he is the opposite of what Larry Walker was when he came from Montreal and came to Denver. He is opposite of anybody that plays Little League baseball in this town. He couldn't hit.
00;59;11;14 - 00;59;14;13
Woody Paige
Against the three of us. Yeah.
00;59;14;15 - 00;59;15;12
Ron Zappolo
That's it's sad.
00;59;15;19 - 00;59;18;20
Tom Green
Well it's sad for him, but it's also just mismanaged the whole thing. As I just.
00;59;18;22 - 00;59;23;03
Ron Zappolo
Said, what the Rockies have become is just sad. Good.
00;59;23;05 - 00;59;42;26
Woody Paige
Very sad story that's come up again. Bob Gibson in his last game gave up, a grand slam home run. Bob Gibson, one of the top ten pitchers of all time. They had old timers game when he was in his 60s and playing on the other side. And that old timers game with his guy hit the at the grand slam off of him.
00;59;42;29 - 00;59;43;27
Woody Paige
He hit him, he hit.
00;59;43;27 - 00;59;49;03
Speaker 1
Him and hit him. I never found out that there. Maybe even.
00;59;49;06 - 00;59;54;10
Tom Green
Hey, just if you're not, if you're listening, you don't get to see the blackboard behind Woody. So let's take a look at time.
00;59;54;12 - 00;59;56;24
Woody Paige
You know what it is? I gave it to Tasha.
00;59;56;24 - 01;00;01;12
Tom Green
It says I just burned 2300 calories. I left cookies in the oven too long.
01;00;01;12 - 01;00;04;09
Woody Paige
That's so they don't like it. People will know if I work out.
01;00;04;11 - 01;00;18;05
Tom Green
You were traveling? You went to, Santa Clara, San Francisco, for the Super Bowl. And, you enjoyed the the travel experience very much. It seems like people, people enjoy it as well. You you have a little gear grinding to do about shoes and feet.
01;00;18;08 - 01;00;40;27
Woody Paige
Oh, yes. I'd like to I'd like to go into that because I hadn't been traveling for for a while, particularly on business. And I think I'd like to just ask you a question so you can answer it. Have you ever taken your shoes off at somebody else's house? I know the answer to that. Have you ever taken your shoes off?
01;00;40;29 - 01;01;04;15
Woody Paige
At church. Have you ever taken your shoes off on an airplane? Don't take your shoes off on an airplane. Guess what? You smell. Yeah, the smell of your feet is not what I want on an airplane. And I'm sitting next to a guy, and the first thing he does is. And I go, are you going to take your socks off to and maybe your underwear?
01;01;04;19 - 01;01;08;06
Woody Paige
And he goes, are you smart ass? I said, I'm a professional smart.
01;01;08;06 - 01;01;09;19
Tom Green
That's one of the greats. One of the.
01;01;09;19 - 01;01;11;09
Ron Zappolo
Greats made a living being a smart.
01;01;11;09 - 01;01;12;11
Tom Green
It's a bad visual. If I had.
01;01;12;11 - 01;01;25;29
Woody Paige
To take my shoes off in church, I think the preacher would have called me in afterward and cut off my arms. I think that's what would happen there. And I'm not Catholic. Tough town. They couldn't have forgiven me. I couldn't see God in the Bible.
01;01;26;00 - 01;01;28;15
Ron Zappolo
Much as I hate to agree with them, I'm 100%.
01;01;28;17 - 01;01;37;15
Woody Paige
But yeah, it's okay to take off your shoes when the person who owns the house says, what do you mind taking? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that happens occasionally.
01;01;37;15 - 01;01;54;25
Ron Zappolo
It does, and that's fine. Yeah, but don't go in and act like it's your house and don't go on the damn plane. Why? You know, and take your damn shoes off. You're 100% right. I also hate the guy that the plane lands in. He pulls out his cell phone. Yeah, and he thinks he's the only guy.
01;01;54;25 - 01;01;56;17
Tom Green
On the plane. Oh.
01;01;56;20 - 01;02;01;18
Woody Paige
You know what that guy's also doing? He's in C 38 C yeah.
01;02;01;20 - 01;02;05;11
Speaker 1
And he's going to be the first one. The first one off right before.
01;02;05;12 - 01;02;05;27
Woody Paige
You.
01;02;06;00 - 01;02;09;07
Ron Zappolo
Come will stop. He's already got his bag going. Yeah.
01;02;09;11 - 01;02;28;26
Woody Paige
You're not going to get through. Yeah 78 people and beat us all. And guess what. Your back's not going to be it quickly in Denver. Your bags are not going to be there for 30 minutes. I don't know what your hurry is unless you want coffee, which they've given you on the airplane. I don't under.
01;02;28;28 - 01;02;32;24
Woody Paige
They take off their shoes and then they put their feet up against the.
01;02;32;24 - 01;02;33;29
Speaker 1
Wall.
01;02;34;01 - 01;02;45;25
Woody Paige
On the airplane. It's bad. Okay. Whose mother? Whose mother ever taught them to say, oh, yeah. Take your shoes off and put your feet up. We're having dinner, but you feed the kids well.
01;02;45;27 - 01;02;46;23
Tom Green
So don't do it.
01;02;46;23 - 01;02;48;10
Ron Zappolo
I'm not going to do it. Can I add one more?
01;02;48;10 - 01;02;49;07
Tom Green
Yeah, please.
01;02;49;10 - 01;02;59;13
Ron Zappolo
But a half an hour ago, Woody mentioned Doug. Moe. This comes from the three of us. We love you. That's it.
01;02;59;15 - 01;03;04;00
Tom Green
I agree. Thank you for saying that. That, will bring a close to this.
01;03;04;00 - 01;03;04;25
Speaker 1
Oh, no.
01;03;04;27 - 01;03;08;06
Tom Green
No, this does not yet bring a close to this.
01;03;08;08 - 01;03;09;12
Speaker 1
There's more that.
01;03;09;14 - 01;03;17;29
Woody Paige
This is only going to take one minute. Do it. Because, with the King Soopers yesterday and I bought $87 worth of girl Scout cookies. Because I do.
01;03;17;29 - 01;03;19;13
Ron Zappolo
It because you're a softie.
01;03;19;13 - 01;03;28;11
Woody Paige
And I just wondered. They've got two new ones this year. I tried one last night. And what? No. What is your favorite cookie from Girl Scouts?
01;03;28;11 - 01;03;30;25
Ron Zappolo
What's the one with the wood? Go ahead.
01;03;30;27 - 01;03;35;21
Tom Green
The coconut that, the Samoa, the Samoan and I dip it. Dip it in maker's Mark.
01;03;35;21 - 01;03;36;17
Ron Zappolo
Yeah. And maker's.
01;03;36;17 - 01;03;37;09
Speaker 1
Mark.
01;03;37;11 - 01;03;40;13
Ron Zappolo
You know, really, as a maker's Mark fan, I've never done that.
01;03;40;13 - 01;03;42;19
Speaker 1
I'm going to try. That sounds good.
01;03;42;21 - 01;03;47;12
Ron Zappolo
That's maker's Mark and Samoans. I tried a lot of things with maker's Mark.
01;03;47;12 - 01;03;48;07
Woody Paige
I've heard that.
01;03;48;13 - 01;03;52;04
Tom Green
Sometimes when the Girl Scouts are in front of the store selling them, I'll walk up and I'll have a.
01;03;52;04 - 01;03;53;02
Speaker 1
Glass of milk for.
01;03;53;02 - 01;03;54;15
Ron Zappolo
Some maker's. So give me.
01;03;54;15 - 01;03;55;05
Speaker 1
Those.
01;03;55;07 - 01;04;05;04
Woody Paige
Oh yeah, I see, and I've done that. Oh, I have picked up on that. When I covered a BYU game I had maker's Mark with small ones.
01;04;05;07 - 01;04;07;22
Ron Zappolo
Oh, you had that. You had to sneak it in.
01;04;07;25 - 01;04;11;18
Speaker 1
Oh, it's Samoans. Oh. But different.
01;04;11;21 - 01;04;14;22
Tom Green
Oh do you have a favorite the.
01;04;14;23 - 01;04;17;13
Ron Zappolo
I, I like the Samoans. I think they're really good.
01;04;17;13 - 01;04;19;06
Woody Paige
Oh no. I see you guys wrong.
01;04;19;12 - 01;04;20;00
Ron Zappolo
Why don't you like it?
01;04;20;04 - 01;04;43;11
Woody Paige
Why do I have to always disagree? Tag along as you're logged. Don't see those. They're hard to beat. Peanut butter. And I'll tell you if you haven't done it. And the. And the mothers were talking to me yesterday about what you do with all of the Girl Scout cookies now, and you put them in the microwave. These new ones, I can't even mention what they are.
01;04;43;13 - 01;04;47;15
Woody Paige
They're like some,
01;04;47;17 - 01;04;55;04
Woody Paige
The the chocolate thing in the cookie. But they she said, put it in a microwave for 10s. And I said, what about the one you put in the freezer?
01;04;55;05 - 01;04;56;10
Speaker 1
Thin mints?
01;04;56;13 - 01;04;57;04
Tom Green
Yeah.
01;04;57;07 - 01;05;01;08
Woody Paige
Yeah, yeah, thin mints, thin mints in the freezer.
01;05;01;10 - 01;05;05;04
Ron Zappolo
That is thick. But you made a good point. Which the. What is the one with the peanut butter?
01;05;05;04 - 01;05;07;05
Tom Green
And the. That's the tagalong is the peanut butter one?
01;05;07;06 - 01;05;08;05
Ron Zappolo
Those are good.
01;05;08;08 - 01;05;10;20
Woody Paige
Those are. That's dosey doe's you got. You got them.
01;05;10;26 - 01;05;11;12
Ron Zappolo
I don't know.
01;05;11;12 - 01;05;13;00
Woody Paige
I don't see those are the.
01;05;13;02 - 01;05;15;29
Speaker 1
That's why you just walk up and order them all. But yeah.
01;05;16;01 - 01;05;21;15
Ron Zappolo
Well you got to to set it straight. No girls magic girl Scouts here.
01;05;21;18 - 01;05;32;10
Tom Green
So when you walk up to the store and the girls are out in front and they've been out in front now for a few days, do you start to try to figure out how to circumvent them instead of just saying, no, no.
01;05;32;12 - 01;05;33;10
Ron Zappolo
You gotta if they're.
01;05;33;10 - 01;05;47;12
Woody Paige
Out there, I'm there. And we had a math lesson because I said, okay, there's six now, $6, I know that. And then they said, okay, the girl's counting. And I said, what's six times eight? She said, $48. I said, we're all getting a math, guys.
01;05;47;13 - 01;05;56;06
Ron Zappolo
You know what I'm a sucker for is in the winter, summertime, I put on the sucker. Period. But I can't get by a kid with the lemonade.
01;05;56;08 - 01;06;01;04
Speaker 1
Yeah. Got it. Got, especially nowadays, they're actually. It's so okay.
01;06;01;07 - 01;06;10;29
Ron Zappolo
Because when I was a kid, I'm sure it's a lot more now, but, you know, they sell the cup for like, $0.50 or something. We did it for a dime. But you got to you got to. You get the souvenir cup.
01;06;10;29 - 01;06;12;02
Tom Green
It's $21.
01;06;12;05 - 01;06;14;06
Speaker 1
Yeah, that's the Rockies.
01;06;14;06 - 01;06;16;22
Ron Zappolo
Well, you know, I can't drive by.
01;06;16;24 - 01;06;20;16
Woody Paige
Can you go past the guy ringing the bell with the pack at Christmas?
01;06;20;16 - 01;06;22;17
Tom Green
Oh, you got it. He's tougher now, though.
01;06;22;17 - 01;06;24;12
Ron Zappolo
Because in Army, you gotta give them.
01;06;24;12 - 01;06;27;27
Tom Green
But that's tough for now, too, because nobody carries cash anymore.
01;06;27;29 - 01;06;30;00
Ron Zappolo
Well, you know what? Let's try to carry on.
01;06;30;01 - 01;06;31;01
Woody Paige
Oh, well, you.
01;06;31;04 - 01;06;31;18
Ron Zappolo
I'm a big.
01;06;31;18 - 01;06;33;07
Tom Green
Tipper. You're always here.
01;06;33;09 - 01;06;36;12
Ron Zappolo
But the point is, when you're old, you've got money on you.
01;06;36;13 - 01;06;57;05
Woody Paige
Oh, see, we should tell. I'm sorry we going over. We should tell everybody the problem. One of the problems that we have in life. I go into a restaurant and I'm there. Nobody pays attention to me. And the bill comes and I go, okay, 20%. It's too often because you guys are on TV forever. You're walking in a place, they go, oh, I love you.
01;06;57;05 - 01;07;00;24
Woody Paige
I want you every day to. And that's your waiter. And you get you can't.
01;07;00;24 - 01;07;01;10
Tom Green
Now, you're.
01;07;01;10 - 01;07;01;23
Ron Zappolo
Now.
01;07;01;23 - 01;07;03;03
Tom Green
You're you're on the hook.
01;07;03;05 - 01;07;03;24
Woody Paige
Up with.
01;07;03;28 - 01;07;05;25
Speaker 1
Your neighbor. You know, you.
01;07;05;27 - 01;07;07;03
Ron Zappolo
Already.
01;07;07;06 - 01;07;09;21
Woody Paige
Said because you don't want to end up in Westword.
01;07;09;21 - 01;07;14;06
Tom Green
Luckily for me, I had it made because a lot of people would confuse me with Ed Green.
01;07;14;10 - 01;07;14;27
Ron Zappolo
Yes.
01;07;14;27 - 01;07;15;24
Tom Green
So you tried go.
01;07;15;28 - 01;07;18;09
Ron Zappolo
You still you.
01;07;18;11 - 01;07;19;29
Speaker 1
Some green.
01;07;20;01 - 01;07;20;29
Ron Zappolo
And green.
01;07;21;01 - 01;07;22;13
Tom Green
Here's your forecast, buddy.
01;07;22;20 - 01;07;28;03
Woody Paige
We just want all of you to know that we buy Girl Scout cookies with, Greenville, with where the police and.
01;07;28;05 - 01;07;29;24
Ron Zappolo
We are will. And we.
01;07;29;24 - 01;07;31;00
Woody Paige
Will and we over.
01;07;31;00 - 01;07;31;14
Tom Green
Tip.
01;07;31;14 - 01;07;33;11
Ron Zappolo
Oh, my great grandfather.
01;07;33;11 - 01;07;41;00
Woody Paige
I even told my mother when she moved here, I said, mom, you got to give more than 3%. That's going to fall back on me.
01;07;41;03 - 01;07;43;12
Ron Zappolo
Does your wife tip better than you?
01;07;43;14 - 01;07;50;16
Tom Green
I don't know, I tend to like the difference between a good tip and a great tip is usually not much.
01;07;50;21 - 01;07;51;09
Ron Zappolo
No it's not.
01;07;51;09 - 01;07;57;06
Tom Green
So if you look at it like that, I'm always like, I will give you the high end of the tip just because I. It's not.
01;07;57;06 - 01;07;58;15
Ron Zappolo
I try to, but it.
01;07;58;15 - 01;07;59;00
Tom Green
Makes a lot.
01;07;59;00 - 01;08;02;15
Ron Zappolo
To me. I kind of out does me. So I've kind of learned to.
01;08;02;17 - 01;08;04;02
Tom Green
Let her let her buy.
01;08;04;02 - 01;08;07;07
Ron Zappolo
Yeah. Because she's going to give a good tip. And if I don't she's going to get pissed.
01;08;07;08 - 01;08;27;05
Woody Paige
Is the, because what happened was we were told that, tipping wouldn't be taxed. And that's why, they're getting that that's another lie. What is the number for you that they don't know who you are? And a number your.
01;08;27;07 - 01;08;39;08
Ron Zappolo
Well, I think what percentage? Well, it's generally now accepted that even decent service, it should be 20%. 20 is the floor. Yeah. 20 is the floor. And then you go from there.
01;08;39;09 - 01;08;47;12
Tom Green
Yeah. And if like so let's say I'm at McDonald's and it comes to 1193 for my whole meal I make tip you know.
01;08;47;17 - 01;08;49;11
Ron Zappolo
Do you three day you go get take no.
01;08;49;14 - 01;08;52;09
Woody Paige
If you don't get you take out the $0.17.
01;08;52;09 - 01;08;53;18
Speaker 1
But if you get.
01;08;53;18 - 01;08;56;00
Ron Zappolo
Takeout and you're just.
01;08;56;00 - 01;08;57;21
Tom Green
That's taken because you're like.
01;08;57;24 - 01;08;59;11
Ron Zappolo
What what do you do.
01;08;59;11 - 01;09;00;14
Tom Green
Yeah. Because well.
01;09;00;16 - 01;09;03;06
Woody Paige
They carried it. When they talk to you.
01;09;03;07 - 01;09;13;11
Ron Zappolo
You go in and they place your order. No, no. You give them your name and they somebody goes up and gets it and brings it down to you in a bag. What do you do?
01;09;13;11 - 01;09;14;00
Tom Green
Yeah.
01;09;14;02 - 01;09;15;11
Ron Zappolo
That's, that's one.
01;09;15;13 - 01;09;17;03
Tom Green
Case to case, mood to mood.
01;09;17;06 - 01;09;18;05
Speaker 1
Yes.
01;09;18;05 - 01;09;23;29
Woody Paige
See, I'm a problem because I. When I get DoorDash, I don't even see the guy.
01;09;24;01 - 01;09;25;15
Ron Zappolo
And I just leaves it on the.
01;09;25;15 - 01;09;32;21
Woody Paige
Yeah, yeah, I've given him a good tip and I go, you should at least say hello to me or. Yeah. No. Yeah. Stay up to like.
01;09;32;21 - 01;09;36;03
Ron Zappolo
Hey, what do you how are you doing? So I come on in and have a bite with me.
01;09;36;09 - 01;09;37;23
Speaker 1
I'm lonely. Okay.
01;09;37;25 - 01;09;43;26
Tom Green
Well, you can always give us your feedback on tipping Girl Scout cookies, you name it. You can reach us.
01;09;43;26 - 01;09;45;08
Ron Zappolo
Here.
01;09;45;11 - 01;09;47;08
Tom Green
At Gorilla Sports.
01;09;47;08 - 01;09;51;29
Woody Paige
We began so he can do that. You get. You jumped all over.
01;09;52;01 - 01;09;52;16
Ron Zappolo
I came out.
01;09;52;16 - 01;10;03;22
Woody Paige
Strong. Yeah, okay. And I and then I, you know, we can we go. We're the only show in America. I think that starts off condemning the president of the United States of. Yeah. Just talking about.
01;10;03;24 - 01;10;08;21
Speaker 1
Girls. Yeah. How much, how much do you to the Girl Scout tip. And we work.
01;10;08;26 - 01;10;10;13
Woody Paige
And we worked Iraqis to do it.
01;10;10;17 - 01;10;19;21
Tom Green
So eight boxes, eight boxes at $6 each is 48 plus 20% is another. That's ten bucks. You tip the Girl Scouts.
01;10;19;24 - 01;10;21;01
Woody Paige
They had a tip cup.
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Ron Zappolo
Do they have a tip cup.
01;10;22;11 - 01;10;24;05
Woody Paige
And I put $5 in the tip.
01;10;24;05 - 01;10;25;17
Tom Green
That's 10%, Woody.
01;10;25;23 - 01;10;30;12
Ron Zappolo
But you know what's good about in this affordability crisis were in that I reached I.
01;10;30;12 - 01;10;31;28
Woody Paige
Got the cookies myself. I know.
01;10;31;28 - 01;10;36;09
Tom Green
But those girls bake all night. They put them in the box. There was like, wrap them up. There was.
01;10;36;09 - 01;10;37;09
Woody Paige
Like $3.
01;10;37;09 - 01;11;00;12
Ron Zappolo
I, I, by the way, girls going about Girl Scout cookies. It's another thing before we go. Yeah, this is interesting. You know what I always hated? I really did when I was working. And you, I know you two went through this. The person you worked with who would bring in their daughter's Girl Scout cookies, and she would sell them.
01;11;00;14 - 01;11;11;00
Ron Zappolo
No. Here's what you do. You let the little girl come? Yeah. And I will buy them from her with no problem. But I'm not buying them from the little girl's mother.
01;11;11;04 - 01;11;16;05
Tom Green
I remember I saw this when we worked the other night. Ron would fly into a rage.
01;11;16;08 - 01;11;18;26
Speaker 1
He would be screaming at these ladies. He said.
01;11;18;27 - 01;11;21;03
Woody Paige
You get your daughter down here.
01;11;21;03 - 01;11;38;00
Ron Zappolo
I never went in. You know, I, I think in all the years I was at nine, I don't think I ever went into a rage. No, it was when I, resigned to go to Fox. I did go to a little bit of a rage with one person. I could tell you who it was. It was petty, Dennis.
01;11;38;01 - 01;11;53;23
Ron Zappolo
Yeah. And. And I'm fine with her now, but there was a quite a few stories in Woody's paper, and it was pretty big in there in the front page. And. And Roger Ogden, the general manager, said a bunch of nice things about me, which I really appreciated. And as you were.
01;11;53;23 - 01;11;55;08
Tom Green
Leaving, I was I was in the cross.
01;11;55;15 - 01;12;09;29
Ron Zappolo
He didn't kick me out the door. He knew I was going to go and he and, he was really, really nice. And Patty was quoted as kind of saying, we won't miss him. And so I went to see Patty that day.
01;12;10;02 - 01;12;10;23
Speaker 1
That's when I.
01;12;10;23 - 01;12;11;29
Ron Zappolo
Got a little bit rage you with.
01;12;11;29 - 01;12;19;14
Tom Green
That reminds me, remember, Ralph Kiner wanted a raise and guys like, we finished ninth with you. We can finish ninth with that. Yes.
01;12;19;15 - 01;12;20;12
Ron Zappolo
I was like, you know.
01;12;20;14 - 01;12;21;08
Tom Green
See you buddy.
01;12;21;08 - 01;12;22;06
Ron Zappolo
Oh, God.
01;12;22;06 - 01;12;25;10
Woody Paige
Did you did you get to take your pen with you that night? You know.
01;12;25;10 - 01;12;44;14
Ron Zappolo
It's funny you mention that I've got about I had about 209 pins, and I used to have them in a in my chest of drawers and stuff. Here's another thing. Used to piss me off. I would go in there and work my ass off all day, and I would spend a couple hours coming up. Hey, wait. Hold on, let me finish this.
01;12;44;18 - 01;13;01;23
Ron Zappolo
I would come up with the commentary that I liked, and I worked on it and worked on it, and they delivered it and it was provocative. And people called and the lot people didn't like it. And I would get like a memo. The next day from the news director, you forgot to wear your nine pin.
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Tom Green
That's all they saw.
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Woody Paige
I saw I saw my clips out there. And I said to someone that's really in a high place in this bill, I said, why can't we get g pins? Yeah, gorilla or something or something working on it. And he said, yeah, we're working on it. And I said, I said the clips. How many of those do you have?
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Woody Paige
He said, on every coat on. And I said, how many coats you have?
01;13;23;26 - 01;13;25;02
Speaker 1
Three. Yeah.
01;13;25;04 - 01;13;29;06
Ron Zappolo
Oh, no, we had every and I had like I had 100.
01;13;29;08 - 01;13;30;25
Tom Green
Yeah. The pins, I still have some.
01;13;30;25 - 01;13;34;15
Ron Zappolo
I had my two nice ones. Yeah. But.
01;13;34;15 - 01;13;40;01
Tom Green
I here's the thing that the ladies like is it is a pin with a, with a back.
01;13;40;03 - 01;13;40;25
Ron Zappolo
So you can but.
01;13;40;25 - 01;13;46;08
Tom Green
It damages your clothes. But the ladies especially like they start to make the magnet ones.
01;13;46;08 - 01;13;50;07
Ron Zappolo
Yes. So they go I would always put it in the, the lapel hole.
01;13;50;12 - 01;13;59;08
Tom Green
Well that's funny. You start to see him like a young girl. Put it up here something. Yeah. You know, you have to really get good at it. And luckily, they always said I was one of the best.
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Ron Zappolo
Oh. You were. You had two stints there. I had two stints there, too. Just not as high profile as your stints were.
01;14;06;17 - 01;14;07;10
Tom Green
Double stint.
01;14;07;10 - 01;14;10;21
Woody Paige
How many stations in Denver did you work for? TV station?
01;14;10;21 - 01;14;24;23
Ron Zappolo
Here we go. I worked at channel four for 13 years. I worked at channel nine for 11 years. Then I had that frontal lobotomy and I went over to Fox. No, I'm just kidding. And I was there.
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Woody Paige
About the by.
01;14;26;03 - 01;14;36;16
Ron Zappolo
Year. I know, I listen, I feel for these kids working at, and I was there for 13 years, and then I went back to nine for another four years, and then that was kind of okay.
01;14;36;16 - 01;14;38;06
Woody Paige
And years.
01;14;38;08 - 01;14;48;03
Tom Green
Came in. I did a long stint at nine when I started 13 plus years. Did radio with Doug Moe and Dennis Hall and a lot of TV for Prime and whatever it was then Fox Sports.
01;14;48;03 - 01;14;49;25
Ron Zappolo
Fox Sports, Rocky Mountain.
01;14;49;27 - 01;14;58;23
Tom Green
Then I went to seven, was their sports anchor for three years, then went over to channel two, which also meant I did some shows at 31 and then was.
01;14;58;23 - 01;15;01;21
Ron Zappolo
Over and shared a desk with me, 31.
01;15;01;21 - 01;15;09;02
Tom Green
And then went back to nine. So I still say, I always say I want to work at channel four, just because I don't think anybody's ever worked at all. Of, you know, I.
01;15;09;02 - 01;15;12;15
Ron Zappolo
Would be the one I missed seven. And that was the only one.
01;15;12;17 - 01;15;17;28
Woody Paige
Who still did any of those stations fire you or did you quit to go? Oh.
01;15;18;03 - 01;15;24;08
Ron Zappolo
Only through sheer, good fortune did I not get fired.
01;15;24;10 - 01;15;49;08
Tom Green
Never got fired. But, Ron is involved in one story. When I was leaving nine, the first time, I was the weekend sports anchor, and we reached an impasse. And it really came down to the last day, and I was actually packing my stuff up and leaving, and Ron came in early to collect me, and he took me for a walk around the block, which is about 20 laps around the block.
01;15;49;08 - 01;16;05;06
Tom Green
And he talked me down, settled me down a little bit because I was, I was it was personal to me. And then I ended up making a deal with nine, where I would just do the weekends. They would say, we'll do one more year. You do the weekends, but you only work two days a week and a couple of weeks fill in for Ron.
01;16;05;09 - 01;16;08;14
Tom Green
But Ron kept me from.
01;16;08;16 - 01;16;23;06
Ron Zappolo
Well, let me find just say Tom repaid me in spades over the years, as a great friend does, and multiple times with me, was the voice of reason and just proved what a wonderful, good friend.
01;16;23;06 - 01;16;24;12
Tom Green
Yes. Fun. Thanks.
01;16;24;18 - 01;16;31;01
Woody Paige
Channeled to fired me after six months because the station got sued.
01;16;31;04 - 01;16;32;04
Speaker 1
Well. Got some.
01;16;32;06 - 01;16;34;29
Ron Zappolo
Yeah, but you were different, though. You were for contract.
01;16;34;29 - 01;16;49;24
Woody Paige
I was all for for about four months, and they didn't like me. Channel Seven's fired me twice, and I did the John Elway show, and I. Yeah, they were going to hire me to be the sports anchor. And then they reneged on that.
01;16;49;24 - 01;16;53;05
Ron Zappolo
But you didn't get fired, but you didn't get fired by the newspaper?
01;16;53;07 - 01;17;00;21
Woody Paige
No, nine nine fired me once after one of the guys you mentioned said he was in different shows.
01;17;00;21 - 01;17;03;22
Ron Zappolo
When you were doing a show, doing that.
01;17;03;24 - 01;17;23;02
Woody Paige
I'm very different about, because I'm thinking that any moment they're going to come in and fire me. Yeah. Do you get better jobs and more money? Would you? But I got I got fired by 31. I got fired by 231 for seven nine. You and 53.
01;17;23;05 - 01;17;26;25
Ron Zappolo
That's right. You you've hit the trifecta a few times over.
01;17;26;27 - 01;17;27;19
Tom Green
Hit them all.
01;17;27;20 - 01;17;29;00
Ron Zappolo
You know, we should have just done the show.
01;17;29;00 - 01;17;47;08
Woody Paige
Where religion 53 was a religion station. Yeah. And when I'd go in there, they had pads, stacks of where you'd call in to donate money. And so I'd donate like $0.50 and put it in the, in the box there. And the guy came to me and said, that's not funny.
01;17;47;10 - 01;17;49;01
Speaker 1
I said, I think it's funny.
01;17;49;04 - 01;17;52;11
Tom Green
I'm not surprised you're fired by a religious station. I'm surprised you're.
01;17;52;13 - 01;17;52;27
Speaker 1
Hired.
01;17;52;27 - 01;17;59;08
Woody Paige
Yeah, yeah. 16 radio stations fired me. So, man, you when you worked at.
01;17;59;10 - 01;18;03;07
Ron Zappolo
But your newspaper career, which was the basis of your career.
01;18;03;09 - 01;18;17;22
Woody Paige
You never found a reason why I quit the Denver Post is they didn't fire me. They they wanted to keep me, but they fired everybody else. They fired, like, 50 people, and they were my friends. And so I said, I don't want to work here because you fired up.
01;18;17;22 - 01;18;31;14
Tom Green
Well, this is a sad thing. Tomorrow I'm going to have Lindsey Jones do the other Tom green show with me, and I'm looking forward to about a million things. But the Washington Post sports section is one of the saddest stories. Oh, my. I mean, that's your town.
01;18;31;14 - 01;18;33;17
Ron Zappolo
That's your that's me.
01;18;33;17 - 01;18;39;05
Tom Green
And it's your job, and I just. I have it wiped out. It's the wars, you know?
01;18;39;05 - 01;19;04;17
Ron Zappolo
Not again. We shouldn't get on this political thing, but we can. How can you wipe out the Washington Post sports department with George Solomon? David Dupree? I can go down the surely all these great people that work there, but you can spend $75 million on some fucking piece of propaganda for, what's her name? You can spend that.
01;19;04;20 - 01;19;09;09
Ron Zappolo
But, you know, we got to wipe out, what, 400 people at the Washington Post? Let's go. I don't get.
01;19;09;09 - 01;19;11;27
Woody Paige
It. What's going to happen is there's not going to be.
01;19;11;28 - 01;19;12;16
Ron Zappolo
Newspaper.
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Woody Paige
Newspapers. And I was bothered when we went through the period I mentioned Thomas Harding earlier in a positive way. Good writer. But he basically works for the team in league. And that's what you're going to see in sports now, is that you're going to get a viewpoint that is directly from, yeah, whatever. The team was.
01;19;34;19 - 01;19;36;23
Tom Green
Certainly not unfettered. You'll be completely.
01;19;36;23 - 01;19;57;27
Woody Paige
Fettered. That concerns me. I, I accept change, I think I moved with the changes that have been made over the years. Well, one of those, but, newspapers were my lifeblood. Were my family's lifeblood. My mother, at 89, was still reading a newspaper every day when they became very expensive.
01;19;57;27 - 01;20;17;22
Tom Green
I feel bad because there's so many people in our industry in in media in general. If you were 35 or 40 now in this industry and it's mutating the way it is and it's not necessarily going in great directions, I feel terrible because I do look back and I think of you, me, Jim Benham and the guys that we're close with and we talk about it, we got to ride the ride.
01;20;17;24 - 01;20;18;25
Ron Zappolo
We were close.
01;20;18;28 - 01;20;20;02
Tom Green
We were in the right car.
01;20;20;02 - 01;20;48;16
Ron Zappolo
Timing was, you know, through no fault of through no was a special thing for us. Our timing couldn't have been better. Yeah. And we probably. I'll speak for myself. You. Because you did it better than me. I probably could have worked a little longer, but because of the situation and where the business was going, I would have had to work for a fraction of what I was making, and I wouldn't have been, the same employee.
01;20;48;16 - 01;20;51;03
Tom Green
And the quality of the people you work for, it matters.
01;20;51;03 - 01;21;08;11
Ron Zappolo
It does. And I just thought, you know, like a football coach, get rid of somebody maybe a year early as opposed to a year late. And I probably left a few years early. But when I look back now, I don't regret it because I didn't want to be a guy sitting there. You know, these guys, we've worked for them.
01;21;08;17 - 01;21;27;22
Ron Zappolo
I didn't want to be somebody in my mid to late 60s sitting there, and I was bitter. Yeah. And pissed off and angry. And I thought, you know, I'd have a group of kids looking around saying about me, you know, like, I used to be really good. Now he's nothing but a pain in the ass. Yeah. And it's just better to go.
01;21;27;24 - 01;21;40;07
Woody Paige
I ask one of my closest friends who was in the business. I said, Will you do me a favor? I'd watch guys that lose something off their fastball. Sure were you. Tell me. He said. I should have told you.
01;21;40;07 - 01;21;42;06
Speaker 1
12 years before.
01;21;42;08 - 01;21;44;26
Tom Green
Oh, an honest guy. Oh, that's the last thing we need.
01;21;45;02 - 01;21;46;09
Ron Zappolo
We don't need no honest guys.
01;21;46;15 - 01;21;52;09
Tom Green
Hey, Diogenes, keep it to yourself. Hey, that's going to do it, I think. Yeah.
01;21;52;16 - 01;21;53;06
Ron Zappolo
Anything else?
01;21;53;06 - 01;21;56;01
Speaker 1
Before we go in? Name of knowing when to quit.
01;21;56;03 - 01;21;58;09
Ron Zappolo
We emptied the kitchen sink. There.
01;21;58;11 - 01;22;01;02
Tom Green
We run amuck. Sorry about most of the show. Where the.
01;22;01;03 - 01;22;05;19
Woody Paige
Shoes? Great. Where your shoes get a whole one hitter.
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Tom Green
Again. We love feedback. Find us at gorilla Sportsnet and we will, of course. See you here again next week for another edition of After the Horn.