The Broncos’ season ends one win short of the Super Bowl, and on After the Horn, Woody Paige, Ron Zappolo, and Tom Green break down exactly why. From Sean Payton’s handling of Jarrett Stidham and fourth-down decisions, to missed field goals, weather preparation failures, officiating mistakes, and roster shortcomings, the panel lays out a comprehensive responsibility list for the AFC Championship loss to New England. The conversation expands to the larger idea of “championship windows,” arguing there is no future guarantee in the NFL — only now. The show closes with a deep look at the Broncos’ offseason priorities, coaching staff uncertainty, free-agent spending power, and how Denver stacks up in an increasingly competitive AFC. ‘After the Horn’ is sponsored in part by American Financing Visit: AmericanFinancing.net/Green NMLS 182334, nmlsconsumeraccess.org. APR for rates in the 5s start at 6.196% for well-qualified borrowers. Call 855-581-5828 for details about credit costs and terms, or visit AmericanFinancing.net/Green Furniture provided by Furniture Row denvermattress.furniturerow.com
The panel begins by dissecting the Broncos’ AFC Championship loss and whether Sean Payton overvalued and oversold Jarrett Stidham after Bo Nix’s injury. Woody Paige presents an extensive list of responsibility that stretches beyond the quarterback, pointing to coaching decisions, missed field goals, poor weather preparation, the grounds crew, and even ownership. The discussion examines why Denver failed to adjust to the snow, why a field goal was passed up at a pivotal moment, and how New England was better prepared for the elements.
From there, the focus shifts to officiating errors, roster depth, and a lack of impact offensive skill players compared to teams still standing. The show then pivots to a broader philosophical debate about “windows” in the NFL, using historical Broncos examples and league trends to argue that championship chances are never guaranteed year to year. The episode wraps with a forward-looking breakdown of Denver’s offseason challenges, including potential coaching departures, draft position, free-agent spending, and the urgent need to upgrade at wide receiver, running back, and along the offensive line.
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Tom Green
The highly anticipated steady show opened. Still less than rave reviews. We'll talk about what the Broncos did and didn't do. And what lies ahead. More importantly, on the bright side, it's almost time for the Rockies to get underway.
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Ron Zappolo
You know, just watching that open, the Broncos could have used a couple of people that flashed bias there in that open. Hi, everybody. After the horn, Woody page, Tom Green runs.
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Woody Paige
Glad to.
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Speaker 2
Have you think pretty.
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Tom Green
Much anybody.
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Speaker 2
Pretty.
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Ron Zappolo
Much anybody. Yeah we can go that route.
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Tom Green
Hey, before we get underway, once again, tip of the cap to our friends at Furniture Row for supplying all this fine furniture. Otherwise, we'd be sitting on the floor and it would look weird. So, again, thanks to our friends at Furniture Row for being a part of our show here on After the Horn. I hope you guys saw the game on Sunday.
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Tom Green
But the Broncos played. The bills came up short. Our bills the Patriots, they lose it ten seven by a final score. Which means that they don't go to the Super Bowl. But you guys might have already known all that.
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Speaker 2
Yeah.
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Woody Paige
I think we can get rid of, Steady City and call it now. Steady. Shitty.
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Ron Zappolo
Or did he had more going than city?
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Tom Green
There's a million things to talk about with this game. But let's start with was Sean Payton like he's going out of his way to keep Jarrett Stidham. And he thought Stuart Stidham was going to give him a football game. And did he completely mischaracterized the backup quarterback that he had. Because there are some teams that have a backup quarterback to go winning a football game like the one we saw Sunday.
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Tom Green
Jarrett Stidham wasn't one of them.
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Speaker 2
Nope.
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Woody Paige
I would not put him steady. Gosh. Can we get past that started.
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Ron Zappolo
Yeah.
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Woody Paige
Stidham I would not put him at the responsible at the top of the responsible right I would put the coach for some of the things you said. I think he over valued Stidham. He over promoted him I think he over tried to do this not saying right. But he over tried to coach him in this game. And I think that because of him and what Payton realized he didn't kick that field.
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Woody Paige
He should have kicked their field goal because. Right. It was not going well even though they started out the game with with the one touchdown. And he looked good on two passes in a row. But, I wondered at one point, do you go to the next backup? They've got two other guys over there.
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Ron Zappolo
Yeah, they would have been worse. But you know what? I can't, I can criticize Sean Payton in the next hour for a lot of stuff, and I'm sure we will. He had to oversell Jared Stidham because I think he had to.
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Woody Paige
Oversell to his players.
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Ron Zappolo
To his players, to his players. I thought I mean he as soon as Bo Nix got hurt he started the I'm going to sell Jared Stidham to the other 50 guys. And I'm using that first news camp. Not not when he came back out and said can they hide this after the bills game. He's sending a message to his team because I guarantee you there were at least ten out of 50 players who probably when they heard that news said we're.
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Tom Green
Fucked, we're done.
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Ron Zappolo
Yeah, yeah. And he's spending those hours. And those first few days, not so much with Jared Stidham, but with the other guys convincing them that they can win.
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Tom Green
I was surprised at Stidham looking unready for the moment. Because he is a veteran quarterback. He'd been in the league. Abed hadn't played in forever.
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Ron Zappolo
Let me just play the but here's the deal I don't think there's anybody Tom that can not throw a pass since 2023. And parachute into a championship game and look decent.
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Tom Green
Look like all he wanted to do was backpedal, get away, go back.
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Woody Paige
To Dover Sanders. And that'll come up again in the program today, I guess because he's in the problem. He's in the Pro Bowl. So if you do I think we found just to throw this in there. I think we found the final reason, the final fucking.
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Ron Zappolo
Reason.
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Woody Paige
To not even call it a Pro Bowl. Call it.
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Ron Zappolo
The amen.
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Woody Paige
What do we do in high school then we have like field flag football field day. Yeah, we'll build that where you get in data sacks and stuff if.
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Tom Green
If you can't make it. Jarrett Stidham is next in line to play in the Pro Bowl.
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Ron Zappolo
But I agree with Woody on this Jared Stidham is not at the top of the list. He was he was ill equipped to do it. He made a mistake that cost them the game. But I agree that I'm not going to put him at the top of the list.
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Tom Green
Now that's that Sean Payton.
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Ron Zappolo
That's on.
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Tom Green
Top of the move. Yep. Culpable.
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Woody Paige
Before I came down here today, I, I put down 16 people that were responsible for this defeat. And I felt like that there's about 14 of them that are not getting the responsibility held. And Sean Payton said topless. But look, let me throw one at you sure that you haven't thought about nobody has thought about this.
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Ron Zappolo
Oh, Terry.
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Woody Paige
The ownership. And I'm going to tell you why they're building that new, edifice out there, people talking about it. In fact, Gary Bowles say, well, look what we're building over here. It's going to bring free agents. This stadium had heating calls under it for years. What happened to them. Because when it started to snow and this is not going to stay on the ground because they have a heating system under there.
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Woody Paige
I haven't addressed anybody. I don't know who to address about this. Maybe Patrick Smith and say would somebody go and ask what happened to the heating system that was supposed to prevent this? This is just like Denver International Airport when I was when I was a general columnist and I was fighting Federico Pena and actually had a private meeting with him at a bank and, I said, I'm going to fight you on the new airport as long as you keep saying it will never close.
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Woody Paige
Yeah. Guess what? It closed three times.
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Speaker 2
Over the.
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Woody Paige
Last three days. It's not like a waffle House. They do have to have a key because they close it all the time. But that heating system and people going, you're starting with that. That might have made a major difference in that game if the field hadn't become so unplayable.
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Ron Zappolo
Does this beg the question now, should this should all these cold weather places have domes?
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Tom Green
It's different now because we tend to think of all the cold weather places. I think those teams used to present cold weather football. They had bruising running backs. They were built to do it. Their defensive lines were built to attack the run. They were going to be downhill teams. And every team in the NFL now is all just based on speed, speed, speed, speed.
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Tom Green
So when you hit this because they're all indoors, they all play on turf. They all play in warm weather except for a handful. Well, the handful came and got Denver.
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Ron Zappolo
Yeah, the handful came in. The handful was named Mike Vrabel because he had a better day and he coach Sean Payton. His team was far better prepared to play a game in the elements. Now he had an advantage. He had a better quarterback and he had a quarterback that could use his legs. But when the weather got bad, what did New England do?
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Ron Zappolo
They ran the football three.
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Tom Green
Times and kicked.
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Ron Zappolo
It. Raymond Ray Stevenson didn't kill him. He's not one of the ten best backs in the NFL, but he's a big, tough, bruising back, the kind the Denver does not possess.
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Tom Green
Their offensive line had a better day than the Broncos by far line.
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Woody Paige
And some of the thought here again that hasn't come up. That if this weather had appeared the last last week, I think they'd have had the same sort of problems. I'm talking about the Broncos. Yeah, Josh Allen loves playing in the snow and did it in Wyoming. And Buffalo used to playing in the snow. And that saved Denver that it wasn't a game in the snow.
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Tom Green
Isn't it an interesting though because the 1:00 start time is unique. The games are, you know, either 11:00 or 2:00. They started at one. They get to halftime, they come back out and it's like a wall hit. At halftime, the meteorology changed entirely. And it's just the timing of the serendipitous timing of it. If that was a 2:00 start, the snow would have come in.
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Ron Zappolo
But Sean, these people are privy to weather forecast.
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Tom Green
Did you have a television?
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Ron Zappolo
I mean, you kind of had to know that weather was coming.
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Woody Paige
Yeah, I was out at halftime, when the snow started. Are they changing cleats? I said, I don't think they brought a snow type cleat right to the game. Here I go. Take you guys back and you're old enough to remember. And I don't know how many viewers and listeners will understand this, but George Allen was a great coach in the NFL with Washington before a Super Bowl game against Miami.
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Woody Paige
He went out the day before and checked out where the sun was going to be when the game started. When it was halftime, he stood out there for about 2.5 hours and checked the location of the sun. Don't you think it would have made sense for somebody to bring crispier gear? Some meteorologists out there you've worked with some good ones.
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Woody Paige
There's Kathy Saban, for instance, and say, let's walk through this and what are we going to do if this happens? It was as if they didn't know there was going to be a snowstorm. I think that Payton thinks he's so smart that he'd figured out, well, that's not going to bother us. Did you check to see if there was a heating system, a call system underneath this?
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Woody Paige
George would have. So he. Yes, that's George.
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Ron Zappolo
Allen was one of my all time favorite people. I learned.
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Woody Paige
I saw you nodding when I said.
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Ron Zappolo
That. George Allen I grew up as a kid reporter in Washington, DC, and my job was to go out and interview George Allen every week during the season. And I developed a relationship with him, God rest his soul. He was a great guy. He was one of the most colorful, colorful characters ever in the history of the NFL.
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Ron Zappolo
And you're 100% right on because I was there. He did have people go out and check where the sun would be at certain hours. He was way ahead when it came to leaving no stone unturned. Yes. So why wouldn't the Broncos have known to at least a fairly close what the weather's going to be?
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Tom Green
That's where all old guys, even before our time, was the famous sneakers game, the NFL championship game where one team went out and got the sneakers and they were able to run on the icy field.
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Woody Paige
There was a giant.
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Tom Green
Giants and bears. I think we played that one.
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Ron Zappolo
So so you.
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Woody Paige
Know what responsibility.
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Ron Zappolo
If Jared Stidham doesn't make an ungodly mistake.
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Tom Green
Yeah.
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Ron Zappolo
On one play they might still be playing well.
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Tom Green
Whoever had the lead at halftime was whoever.
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Ron Zappolo
Turned the ball over more was got the lead was going to lose.
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Woody Paige
But I'm going to go through these responsible people. Top ten and I want your reactions to them.
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Ron Zappolo
Will Lutz he's up there. You know. Can I say something about that. He comes out, I guess, after the game, correct me if I'm wrong and says, well, the reason the ball got tipped was because we weren't far enough back.
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Tom Green
We didn't line up.
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Ron Zappolo
We didn't line up properly because it was snowing. How many? 10,020 thousand and 30,000 times in practice? If you kicked the field.
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Tom Green
Goal with drew that the next day, we.
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Ron Zappolo
Better have, he said.
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Tom Green
Well, he looked at it. He said he looked at the film and they were set up just fine.
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Ron Zappolo
That's an excuse. Yeah, that's an excuse. Don't make excuses. Own it. I mean, you all, he his only job is to practice kicking field goals. To his point. Don't don't tell me as a as somebody who watched the game. Hey, it wasn't my fault we didn't line up properly, so.
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Woody Paige
No. So he misses two field goals. They don't go for another field goal, which is the chip shot field goal. I'm also on my list of responsible people. Was the grounds crew. You again are not prepared. They had one guy with a snowblower.
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Ron Zappolo
Should have got the guy from New England. When, back in the day when they cleared.
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Tom Green
For John Smith.
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Ron Zappolo
Later for John.
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Woody Paige
Smith hauled off. I mean, they could have had a long, timeout and bring out some people. And because whether he's right or wrong, Will Lutz you couldn't see CBS was trying to put superimposed the.
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Tom Green
Well, they also had to tell you like you'd see the ball after a punt and you'd see him line up and it would take him about 30s and they're finally there at the line of scrimmage, and they finally say they're at the 30. Yeah, because there's no they could be anywhere.
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Ron Zappolo
There's no excuse for the field goal kick team not to know how many yards back.
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Woody Paige
That's what I'm saying.
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Ron Zappolo
That's all you do. That's all you practice. And I don't care if you don't see any yard lines. You got to know. How far back.
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Tom Green
Do you think the NFL and the Broncos would have made sure that there were plenty of grounds?
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Woody Paige
I'm good. My next list is not Vic Lombardi, but, Joe Lombardi. Who is.
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Tom Green
The oh.
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Woody Paige
Somewhere in there is an offensive coordinator and Davis Webb, who's suddenly the coach too. You were about either the Raiders or the bills.
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Speaker 2
Maybe. Yeah.
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Woody Paige
Why aren't they saying John, come down off that ledge, kick the field goal. Why is he not getting some advice? It's quite possible Sean Payton won't listen to anybody. But you've got some offensive minds over there. They're pretty strong that call the plays in the preseason Lombardi and Webb. Yeah, and did a pretty good job. They scored an average of 30 points in the preseason games.
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Woody Paige
Why not. Somebody got it's like.
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Tom Green
Anyone.
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Woody Paige
Forgive me. It's like almost the president of the United States not getting it. Good advice people.
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Ron Zappolo
Deserve.
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Woody Paige
Hey, let's stop doing this. But I think you got to give the responsibility to the people surrounding them. They've got analytic people. They got it, you know.
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Ron Zappolo
Well, the hold on the analytic people are going to tell them to go for it. That's one of the problems now, although I think you hold every swinging dick in the NFL. Now who's the coach. Pardon my French goes for it on fourth down.
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Woody Paige
Because the French were.
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Ron Zappolo
Well I think it is I mean Dan Campbell started this about five years ago. Everybody goes forward on fourth down all the time. Every situation. And and I think part of the reason why Woody is because the analytics people are taking the data, they run the same thing. 10,000 times. Right. And it comes they don't take into consideration.
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Tom Green
I was told.
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Ron Zappolo
The.
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Tom Green
Game, yeah, the Wolves, the tight end turned broadcaster, said in criticizing Mark Earth, who said he hates analytics. He said the analytics would have told you in this case to kick the field goal.
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Ron Zappolo
Yeah, but here's the point. I don't mind the analytics.
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Tom Green
No you can't. Good information.
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Ron Zappolo
Yes. Good. If you can't make every to his point, you can't make every decision based on analytics. Because if the analytics guy is saying to you Sunday, kick the field goal, the head coach, the human being should be saying to himself, wait a minute, I got a backup quarterback. Bad weather's coming. Ten points might look really good in this game.
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Ron Zappolo
Some of this is a very close third day.
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Tom Green
Like he knew how his offense was and wasn't going to run with number eight.
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Ron Zappolo
You can't tell me that he was stunned over the way his office.
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Tom Green
He waffled. It was he waffled on Sunday.
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Woody Paige
Talk talked about Jason Stidham.
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Tom Green
Steve Jason Jerry throwing.
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Ron Zappolo
Everything you know Jason Sudeikis deserve. He doesn't deserve for you to get his name right.
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Woody Paige
I figure the people in horror movies.
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Speaker 2
Will like they're,
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Woody Paige
On the play. The backward and forward. Right. That's tipped whatever might been, you know, come back to that in a minute. But there's a running back in the game. They're number three running back who gets lost in the crowd. And if he'd done what he was supposed to do on that play, it was an easy pass to him.
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Woody Paige
But if you look at go back and look at the film, you'll see that batty you might do it by day by day.
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Ron Zappolo
Whatever his name is.
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Woody Paige
Got stuck and he didn't go in the right direction. And as a result, Stidham had nobody to throw to at that point. And that's when he fell apart. A good, experienced playing all the time. Quarterback like Bo Nix would have taken off and run on the play or taken a sack. One of the two things. Instead we saw that play.
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Woody Paige
That was.
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Tom Green
The play.
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Woody Paige
Leads.
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Ron Zappolo
What is.
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Woody Paige
Tyler do? Do I give responsibility to the officials? Totally screwed up the play. So you got bad day, you got Stidham and you got the officials who don't know what they're doing on the play. And to this moment, I still don't think you got it right. Because the pass was tipped by the guy that was.
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Tom Green
On your list. You were doing their list.
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Woody Paige
Because because on the play, if you look at it he's running.
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Tom Green
Back. Instead of going up. He goes all the way around.
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Ron Zappolo
Sean Payton though. Yeah. He had no business being in the game. I didn't see I didn't see.
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Woody Paige
Puts him in the game you stupid. Watched all season long. I yes, all that all was New England's third plane back.
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Ron Zappolo
I didn't seem to see him in the game.
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Tom Green
Didn't make it on the field.
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Ron Zappolo
He didn't make it to the field. It's the championship game. If you're going to throw the ball on third and long and you're going to set up that kind of a screen, RJ Harvey catches the ball out of the back.
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Tom Green
He seemed to be running pretty well. He ran.
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Ron Zappolo
He's the guy who's running. They're not your third string running back.
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Woody Paige
But they put him in all season long on that third down play. It's like McLaughlin the backup running back every time they put him in the game he's going to run the ball because he can't pass block. He is not a blocking back in the backfield. So anybody that's got any sense on the other team says they're putting in McLaughlin.
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Woody Paige
They're going to run him. And they did. They ran him twice and he ran pretty well the first of 5 or 6 yards first time and good.
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Tom Green
Well we're going to talk about talent. Third string. There's a third.
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Ron Zappolo
String anywhere it gets you beat.
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Tom Green
If you watch the first game. In the second game on Sunday, you saw a gap in talent between the Broncos and the Rams and the Seahawks. The Rams and the Seahawks have running backs and wide receivers who make plays scare defenses. You have to deal with them every single snap. And you look at the Broncos and they I don't think they scared anybody in those positions moving ahead.
00;19;21;24 - 00;19;33;15
Woody Paige
But the best news that maybe Broncos fans can get during their mourning period is you would have been destroyed by Seattle like you were in Super Bowl.
00;19;33;17 - 00;19;35;21
Ron Zappolo
Well before you got here.
00;19;35;23 - 00;19;36;28
Tom Green
It looked like that might be.
00;19;37;00 - 00;19;39;14
Ron Zappolo
Kind of shared that same opinion.
00;19;39;16 - 00;19;42;06
Tom Green
But so anybody else on your list before.
00;19;42;09 - 00;20;09;15
Woody Paige
I could get some more. I can't leave the officials. There were two plays in the game that the officials messed up spots. Did they right or are they responsible? Yes. They're responsible. They didn't hail it. Like guys should be, officiating in a championship game. Right? You got to play. We talked about it. There are possibilities. You know, if you get the approved of film, you would see that the ball was tipped.
00;20;09;18 - 00;20;13;15
Woody Paige
So when it's tipped, it doesn't matter whether it goes backwards. Afford it.
00;20;13;18 - 00;20;16;07
Tom Green
If he was, if he is, the impetus had it going forward.
00;20;16;10 - 00;20;32;09
Woody Paige
But the other was on the fourth and one quarterback sneak and shot. And Sean Payton, I'll give him credit for this, was telling them to look up at the guy. Can't I can't because it's crystal down. Yeah I mean I've looked at it from behind.
00;20;32;09 - 00;20;34;10
Ron Zappolo
It's hard to officiate the touch push.
00;20;34;10 - 00;20;46;17
Tom Green
Well we also talked about this. Ron always talks about nothing better than having a couple of 58 year old guys running from 23 yards away on the side, and I kind of spot a ball in a pile of 14 men just.
00;20;46;19 - 00;20;51;13
Woody Paige
Looked at every possible angle. It wouldn't have been the first down. Here's the deal.
00;20;51;15 - 00;21;04;14
Ron Zappolo
You know what? I'm not going to feel bad for Denver for this. A week ago, there was an interception in overtime that should have been looked at and it was conveniently said, play on. So you win some, you lose some.
00;21;04;14 - 00;21;06;21
Woody Paige
But that's been the point of this playoff game.
00;21;06;22 - 00;21;27;00
Ron Zappolo
Tell me about it. The officiating. I've been sitting in here for 12 weeks talking about 65 year old guys wearing thicker glasses than me running down the field trying to keep up. It's ridiculous. As you said, it's a multi-billion dollar business. They can do better and they should.
00;21;27;03 - 00;21;28;13
Woody Paige
Go through the rest of me. Yeah.
00;21;28;13 - 00;21;28;24
Ron Zappolo
They're good.
00;21;28;25 - 00;21;31;06
Woody Paige
Let's call it offensive line.
00;21;31;08 - 00;21;32;09
Ron Zappolo
Played poorly that.
00;21;32;09 - 00;21;33;06
Speaker 2
Day, no doubt.
00;21;33;09 - 00;21;35;06
Woody Paige
The wide receivers didn't catch football.
00;21;35;06 - 00;21;36;09
Ron Zappolo
Dropped too many passes.
00;21;36;09 - 00;21;42;24
Woody Paige
Got it all pro right here. And he doesn't have a great game Benito.
00;21;42;24 - 00;21;44;03
Tom Green
He had one one good play one.
00;21;44;03 - 00;21;47;02
Ron Zappolo
He had a good game. But the defense in general.
00;21;47;04 - 00;21;48;22
Tom Green
You can't complain about the defense.
00;21;48;22 - 00;21;50;05
Ron Zappolo
Played extremely well. Gave me enough to.
00;21;50;05 - 00;21;52;04
Woody Paige
Edge rushers were not to give up.
00;21;52;04 - 00;21;53;02
Tom Green
Three points as.
00;21;53;09 - 00;21;53;21
Ron Zappolo
They give up.
00;21;53;21 - 00;21;55;05
Tom Green
Three points. They gave up a handful of.
00;21;55;10 - 00;22;09;29
Ron Zappolo
The quarterback, which I don't can't blame defenses for. Did on a couple of third downs. Trying to throw it, brought it down, scrambled, ran for a first down. That's going to happen. The defense gave up three points. They came to play. They did their job.
00;22;10;01 - 00;22;25;22
Woody Paige
And I add this and I don't know who to blame for this. Maybe Greenlaw, but the quarterback for the Patriots on the last play. Would the Broncos have won? I don't think so. No. But they let him go outside.
00;22;25;24 - 00;22;26;28
Ron Zappolo
Yeah got it done.
00;22;26;28 - 00;22;30;13
Woody Paige
I got by him on that one plague.
00;22;30;13 - 00;22;31;25
Ron Zappolo
Because you got to know they're going to know.
00;22;31;25 - 00;22;38;02
Woody Paige
He's their leading rusher. Yes. He's the only person on the field that's actually rushing for yardage.
00;22;38;02 - 00;22;45;23
Ron Zappolo
But if the three of us know he's going to run the ball there, which we did they got a no. And you're right you can't let him run free.
00;22;45;24 - 00;22;50;22
Tom Green
I want to talk about the future a little bit. And by doing that I'd like to visit the pass since we're old guys.
00;22;50;24 - 00;22;52;15
Woody Paige
Anyway, I think I did.
00;22;52;15 - 00;22;53;25
Ron Zappolo
You get most of them because they're good.
00;22;53;25 - 00;22;59;01
Woody Paige
Yes, I covered everybody. Except, I'd like to blame ice for it.
00;22;59;03 - 00;23;00;23
Ron Zappolo
We could do that, too. That, you.
00;23;00;23 - 00;23;01;16
Tom Green
Know. Oh, man.
00;23;01;21 - 00;23;06;01
Ron Zappolo
We could do that. But you're Sean Payton's that your top right?
00;23;06;04 - 00;23;06;28
Woody Paige
Yes. Okay.
00;23;07;03 - 00;23;15;09
Tom Green
And he. Well, you wonder about self-reflection because I don't I'm not sure Sean might be good at that. He did seem different after the game than normally. Normally he wants to fight about it with the.
00;23;15;09 - 00;23;16;07
Ron Zappolo
Media seem that.
00;23;16;07 - 00;23;33;02
Tom Green
Way. And I get the feeling he knew that he owned. Yeah, he owned this one. So, to talk about the future, I want to start with the past because we talk with people who say the Broncos window is what we look at now. Their window is wide open. No, Ron and I are like, on, you know, the window.
00;23;33;05 - 00;23;52;02
Tom Green
It's today's window is all that matters because nothing is guaranteed down the line. You're not getting better. You just you just go to the next year and see what you got. 1991 in the championship game, the Broncos went to Buffalo and lost, ten seven, in a weather game with their backup quarterback Gary Kubiak play bad.
00;23;52;02 - 00;23;53;10
Ron Zappolo
Treadwell missed a few field.
00;23;53;10 - 00;23;54;10
Tom Green
Goal three, I think.
00;23;54;10 - 00;23;56;06
Ron Zappolo
I think he did. Yeah, I don't want to pick on him.
00;23;56;07 - 00;24;18;29
Tom Green
But but you look at what happened to that team. So they were, you know, 12 and four or whatever they were. They were good enough to win a Super Bowl even. And they didn't. After that season, their offensive coordinator, Mike Shanahan, leaves. He goes to San Francisco. And then in the spring, they draft with John Elway. Definitely wanted to have at his side Tommy Maddox.
00;24;19;01 - 00;24;39;04
Tom Green
And so now instead of getting him something to help and grow, they've got someone with your first round pick. So what happens now if you're the Broncos how do you take care of your coaching staff. You're talking about two guys, Davis Webb and, Vance Joseph might be leaving. What you do in the draft. The good news is they're going to have money to spend.
00;24;39;05 - 00;24;49;09
Tom Green
This is the finally, the freedom from Russell Wilson. Springtime that's coming ahead for the Broncos. But that window run, everyone likes to act like the windows right there.
00;24;49;09 - 00;25;13;04
Ron Zappolo
You and I are in agreement on this. I remember 4 or 5 years ago when Dan Campbell burst on the scene and they got beat in the championship game, and everybody said, the Lions window is now open and they've gotten progressively worse every year. The you are 100% correct. The window is now George Allen used to famously say the future is now.
00;25;13;07 - 00;25;32;00
Ron Zappolo
Yes. Do you know there are no such things as windows? You don't know what the future is going to. The future is now. This was the window. You might never be a number one seed again. With two home games to go to a Super Bowl. This was the window. Next year is next year.
00;25;32;01 - 00;25;39;14
Tom Green
Dan Marino went to a Super Bowl and he said what did they say. And he was going to he was going to play in eight Super Bowls. Yes, he was going to be there every year.
00;25;39;14 - 00;25;40;18
Speaker 2
You never got a year.
00;25;40;25 - 00;25;46;16
Ron Zappolo
Never. The window is now. You don't know what the future holds. You don't know what coaches will.
00;25;46;20 - 00;25;46;29
Woody Paige
Even.
00;25;46;29 - 00;25;47;27
Ron Zappolo
Win with players.
00;25;47;27 - 00;26;09;16
Woody Paige
And just to say about windows opening and closing John Elway went to Super Bowls. Then you can go to Super Bowls for 7 or 8 years. Guess who didn't go to Super Bowls? He went twice, lost one, but he didn't go to the Super Bowl every year. Didn't go to the AFC Championship every year. And that Peyton Manning, there are two best quarterbacks, two Hall of Famers.
00;26;09;19 - 00;26;30;29
Woody Paige
And so again, I don't like agreeing with you guys on a regular basis, but you're that's all completely right that this might know here that the Chargers have just hired a great offensive coordinator. It might be Daniel. He may get Justin Herbert to finally play a game of football.
00;26;31;00 - 00;26;33;08
Tom Green
He might get healthy tackles Eric.
00;26;33;08 - 00;26;57;19
Woody Paige
But the enemy is gone back to the Kansas City Chiefs. Is that good or bad? For they must like him so much that after he's failed in like two different places, he's coming back to the Chiefs. The Chiefs are going to load up again. Chargers are going to get better I think, than they were. And even the Raiders might sign as their coach.
00;26;57;22 - 00;27;20;06
Woody Paige
One of the reasons why the Broncos got to the AFC Championship. And Davis Webb I think he ends up they're going to do a mike Shanahan kind of deal again, I think it's an Al Davis move where he always hired young coaches because he was a young head coach. So you're you're spot on in regard to you didn't take advantage of this situation.
00;27;20;08 - 00;27;35;28
Woody Paige
It didn't matter whether you go going to lose. If they'd gone to the Super Bowl and got blown out like they were against the 40 niners, 55 to 10, the Manning led Broncos that lost. What was it, 48.
00;27;35;28 - 00;27;36;28
Speaker 2
49 or.
00;27;36;28 - 00;27;37;29
Ron Zappolo
9 or it's.
00;27;38;00 - 00;28;03;24
Woody Paige
A 46 to 8, maybe something. Anyway, this may not happen again because, they also could lose some coaches. Jim Leonard who is the number two defensive coordinator Vance Joseph I don't think is going to get a job. We haven't heard that anybody hasn't thought about inviting him back. And they're now whittling down the number of coaching spots.
00;28;03;24 - 00;28;23;03
Woody Paige
So I think Vance Joseph, who was at the top of the list a because he's a good defensive coordinator, be the Rooney Rule. Yeah, but he was the guy that everybody wanted to take care of the Rooney Rule. But and I thought if he left, Jim Leonard is a guy that people are talking to for defensive coordinator.
00;28;23;10 - 00;28;32;29
Woody Paige
He's a guy that's really loved out there. So Davis, if they lost Davis, Webb and Jim Leonard, you got to go out and find some really good coaches to replace them.
00;28;32;29 - 00;28;52;10
Tom Green
So the Tommy Maddox pick goes down as one of the Broncos bigger mistakes. Not let Tommy Maddox couldn't play football. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time here with Denver. And it was a big blunder for the Broncos because they could have added a real weapon. We always talk about Carl Pickens or someone who is a great receiver, who could have really helped Elway in the offense this past year.
00;28;52;12 - 00;29;12;27
Tom Green
The Broncos, maybe not thinking they were going to be in this position, use their first round pick on today, Baron. He played five plays. He played okay for a rookie during the year, but not a first round level player. But when you watch a Jackson Smith in Jig Bo, you watch Kenneth Walker, you watch some of the high end talent Kyren Williams and Puka, and these guys have played in that NFC Championship game.
00;29;12;29 - 00;29;33;08
Tom Green
The Broncos, if they do think their window is now they now picking 30th, which will make it tougher. But with all that free agent money must address, they're the impact offensive player. Whether it's a wide receiver running back, maybe they'll ever get a tight end.
00;29;33;08 - 00;29;34;01
Ron Zappolo
I'd say both.
00;29;34;08 - 00;29;35;29
Tom Green
Oh, I would think all of all of you.
00;29;35;29 - 00;29;55;25
Woody Paige
Know what the biggest joke in Denver is? There is only one joker in Denver. The other Joker was a joker, and he even admitted, I'm not a joker. We're talking about a tight end. Yeah, he says, I'm going to be better next year. I'm not going to be injured. He was injured again this year. He was injured last year.
00;29;56;02 - 00;29;58;18
Woody Paige
Dobbs was injured last year before.
00;29;58;22 - 00;29;59;11
Ron Zappolo
Injured his whole.
00;29;59;11 - 00;30;00;14
Tom Green
Career Kevin Ingram getting.
00;30;00;18 - 00;30;01;27
Woody Paige
50 catches on one.
00;30;01;27 - 00;30;02;15
Tom Green
Touchdown.
00;30;02;15 - 00;30;24;09
Woody Paige
Well but look I must tell you, forgive me for interrupting. They took a chance on a bunch of guys who were injured for the last 4 or 5 years. Greenlaw. Yeah. How many games did he play this year? How much of a difference did he make? Only thing he did was he patted the New England quarterback after he went out of bounds and said, nice job there.
00;30;24;09 - 00;30;37;29
Woody Paige
He actually did compliment him. So I think that you can't depend on guys. Even Bo Nix has a history of ankle injuries. He's had one. They cleaned up his ankle last year after.
00;30;37;29 - 00;30;50;00
Tom Green
His for they'll have money to spend. And they you know I don't I don't do salary cap math. I don't spend a lot of time on it. But what I've seen is they can restructure several contracts. There are some guys.
00;30;50;03 - 00;30;51;06
Woody Paige
They're off the Russell Wilson.
00;30;51;06 - 00;30;52;01
Tom Green
Yeah, but that's.
00;30;52;03 - 00;31;11;25
Ron Zappolo
Write about this, though. You can't just sign guys who are injured to one year deals and hope strategy. You know that's why I get upset. I'm a Red Sox fan. Craig Breslow is their GM. He spent the last three years signing guys to one year deal coming off Tommy John surgery because they were good three years ago. Yeah, well it doesn't work that way.
00;31;11;27 - 00;31;32;04
Ron Zappolo
If the Broncos really want to improve. He's right. You have to go out, be willing to spend that. I think they are willing to spend unlike other franchises, but they have to identify the talent and then go out and aggressively sign it. I read in the paper, well, they might like Wandel Robinson one. Bill Robinson's not going to help him.
00;31;32;04 - 00;31;33;04
Ron Zappolo
I've watched him play every.
00;31;33;09 - 00;31;34;15
Tom Green
Other guy's career.
00;31;34;17 - 00;31;56;12
Ron Zappolo
There's a small, diminutive Brandon Stokely, Victor Cruz type. Those guys are great players. But in today's NFL, the receivers you're talking about, they're big guys. Okay, you need to go out and get your whatever year Jackson Smith in the jig biz. You better go find him. The second thing you better do you can't come back with the same running backs in that room.
00;31;56;15 - 00;32;10;14
Ron Zappolo
You can bring those guys back, but the top guy can't be a guy who's heard all the time like Jake Dobbins. And it's got to be a guy that in January, when the weather's bad, they look at him and go, hey, listen, it's on you.
00;32;10;14 - 00;32;20;21
Tom Green
And you also by then have rushed for 1200 yards. That's something behind an offensive line that believes in their running game instead of kind of going, you know, we'll try to get a couple here and a couple there.
00;32;20;23 - 00;32;30;21
Ron Zappolo
You say what you want about New England, but they won the game in no small part because basically they were able to run the ball better than Denver was this much.
00;32;30;21 - 00;32;32;06
Tom Green
But that's all at once you got ahead.
00;32;32;10 - 00;32;46;08
Ron Zappolo
Once you start running and you shorten the game and Denver's got what, three offensive plays in the third quarter because Stephenson's running for four and five yards a pop. That means a lot in Denver. And clever to do it. They couldn't do it.
00;32;46;10 - 00;32;50;07
Tom Green
Well the off season for the Broncos because you know, you got the window.
00;32;50;10 - 00;32;52;04
Ron Zappolo
The window. Yeah the window.
00;32;52;06 - 00;32;53;13
Tom Green
And we'll see what happens.
00;32;53;13 - 00;32;53;21
Ron Zappolo
Yeah.
00;32;53;22 - 00;33;03;08
Woody Paige
They've got to get wide receivers have to talked about. They got to get two wide receivers. They've got to get a running back. Have to they have got to get a left guard.
00;33;03;08 - 00;33;04;20
Tom Green
Do you think they'll ever have a tight end.
00;33;04;27 - 00;33;19;09
Woody Paige
Bowers despite the talk about the offensive line Ben Bowers has been a it has been a great world class player since he's gotten here. And you got to get another cornerback in my opinion because you're shy there.
00;33;19;11 - 00;33;33;13
Tom Green
And unless they think today is the guy and Moss, you know Moss, they they have all those guys that were on the, entering into contract years, but they're still part of the window. They're still in the,
00;33;33;15 - 00;33;39;08
Woody Paige
So do you think the Patriots have any chance against the the Seahawks?
00;33;39;11 - 00;33;46;13
Tom Green
I like their coaching staff a lot. And I think they'll coach them into a position that that they'll have a chance.
00;33;46;16 - 00;33;46;29
Woody Paige
I forgot.
00;33;47;03 - 00;33;47;16
Tom Green
Because.
00;33;47;19 - 00;33;53;06
Woody Paige
I forgot to blame Josh McDaniels. Oh yeah. You know don't come back and do this to the box.
00;33;53;10 - 00;33;56;24
Tom Green
Well he came back I thought he hung three points on the Broncos.
00;33;56;24 - 00;34;08;06
Ron Zappolo
Tom makes a good point. Mike Vrabel he's the coach of the year. There's not a team in the NFL that plays in the style of their coach. More than the New England.
00;34;08;06 - 00;34;10;20
Tom Green
He's a galvanized even if it's not X's and O's.
00;34;10;20 - 00;34;31;11
Ron Zappolo
He's a doesn't have to be X's and O's. He's old school. You know he's going to go in. He's going to have his team prepared and physically yeah ready to play. And at some point when you take over a four and 13 team and you go to the Super Bowl, you got to give him some credit. All right?
00;34;31;14 - 00;34;42;21
Ron Zappolo
He has coached his ass off. And I love what he said after the game. Hey fellas, go out and celebrate tonight. The bus leaves at eight tomorrow morning. You ain't on it. You're not going to play.
00;34;42;23 - 00;34;49;10
Tom Green
So they stunk under Belichick in his last year. They stunk under Jerod Mayo in his one disastrous year.
00;34;49;10 - 00;34;50;12
Ron Zappolo
And how were they this year.
00;34;50;12 - 00;35;07;14
Tom Green
And then that guy shows up. And when you're hiring coaches as people are this offseason, all you gotta do is look over there or look at the University of Indiana and look and say, if you get it wrong, it won't mean a damn, you won't go anywhere. But if you get it right, you can get it right and go deep.
00;35;07;14 - 00;35;18;26
Ron Zappolo
But to answer Woody's question, I agree with you. I think because of their coaching staff, because of him and McDaniels, I think they can keep it a game. I don't think they can beat Seattle.
00;35;18;28 - 00;35;27;11
Woody Paige
And I liked his final words because I'm thinking, imagine looking at the Patriots coming out of the hotel the next morning.
00;35;27;13 - 00;35;28;11
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00;35;28;14 - 00;35;29;09
Ron Zappolo
And there was.
00;35;29;15 - 00;35;32;04
Woody Paige
There was a famous movie about a fraternity house.
00;35;32;06 - 00;35;36;12
Speaker 2
Yes. Yeah. And I remember.
00;35;36;14 - 00;35;41;01
Woody Paige
Seeing those guys after the toga party. Yeah, yeah, that's what I kind of feel like.
00;35;41;03 - 00;35;42;18
Ron Zappolo
That's what they tend to look like.
00;35;42;18 - 00;35;44;06
Tom Green
Especially when the next week off.
00;35;44;12 - 00;35;47;19
Speaker 2
Oh, could be a long trip. Yeah.
00;35;47;21 - 00;36;10;25
Tom Green
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00;36;53;26 - 00;36;59;11
Woody Paige
Be sure to watch. Tom green. He's appearing all over Denver stations.
00;36;59;14 - 00;37;07;26
Ron Zappolo
Yes he is. Well, I was lying in bed the other night and here was our set, popping up on one of Denver's stations. And there he was.
00;37;07;28 - 00;37;10;08
Woody Paige
A couple of other Broncos.
00;37;10;08 - 00;37;10;20
Tom Green
Sure.
00;37;10;23 - 00;37;17;02
Woody Paige
NFL issues. Do you think it. Oh, people always say, well, this is the this is the matchup that the.
00;37;17;02 - 00;37;18;23
Tom Green
NFL, the NFL wanted.
00;37;18;26 - 00;37;19;04
Speaker 2
Wants.
00;37;19;10 - 00;37;20;12
Woody Paige
Is this.
00;37;20;14 - 00;37;20;25
Ron Zappolo
No.
00;37;20;25 - 00;37;30;15
Woody Paige
What would be the NFL's or hours? What would be your choice. Take the Broncos out of the equation.
00;37;30;17 - 00;37;35;16
Woody Paige
What teams did the NFL really want to be in the Super Bowl?
00;37;35;20 - 00;37;43;17
Tom Green
Oh, I would think just because if you're really looking at conspiracy theory like the NFL gets to make it a Jets, Giants would be one, you know are bears.
00;37;43;17 - 00;37;44;26
Woody Paige
Not Jets.
00;37;44;28 - 00;37;50;27
Ron Zappolo
About Rams bears. Yeah. Something like that a giant markets but the NFL.
00;37;50;27 - 00;37;54;13
Woody Paige
Well that'd be difficult though because you have the would.
00;37;54;16 - 00;37;55;08
Tom Green
Then you know it was.
00;37;55;08 - 00;37;56;05
Ron Zappolo
Fixed. Yeah.
00;37;56;08 - 00;37;57;13
Speaker 2
But they have.
00;37;57;13 - 00;37;59;00
Ron Zappolo
So big that they don't care.
00;37;59;03 - 00;38;16;12
Tom Green
But you mentioned that because people are saying that the NFL, the Super Bowl was played in Seattle on Sunday, that that was the best matchup you're going to see of top flight teams was was the Rams and the Seahawks. And you look at the three games they played this year I mean they ended up this far apart in everything.
00;38;16;15 - 00;38;17;13
Tom Green
And you see.
00;38;17;15 - 00;38;26;29
Ron Zappolo
Sean McVay getting these same criticism goal thing that Sean Payton is for because I'm watching the game and I'm thinking what would I do there.
00;38;27;01 - 00;38;27;24
Tom Green
I was a tough call.
00;38;27;25 - 00;38;33;04
Ron Zappolo
It was a tough call because if you kick the field goal there's a chance you might never get the.
00;38;33;04 - 00;38;36;04
Tom Green
Ball back or they go kick a field goal, but you got.
00;38;36;04 - 00;38;37;03
Woody Paige
Two three timeouts.
00;38;37;03 - 00;38;45;23
Ron Zappolo
Left. You do have three timeouts. But here's the deal. I don't think he trusted his defense all year. His defense sucked. They scored 27 points and they lost.
00;38;45;23 - 00;38;47;18
Woody Paige
Their game over three minutes left though.
00;38;47;25 - 00;38;49;21
Ron Zappolo
Well there was like 4.5 minutes.
00;38;49;21 - 00;39;08;06
Tom Green
So here's the thing though. I think about his defense. His defense at times was very good this year. But you talk about the Broncos. You talk about the Patriots and you talk about those teams that you build up all those stats and highlights. Because half the time you're playing teams that can't play with you. That's true. And then all of a sudden you get Seattle in Seattle.
00;39;08;06 - 00;39;15;28
Ron Zappolo
And it's hey speaking of Seattle. Has Sam Darnold extinguished all the ghosts. Now can we no longer say.
00;39;15;28 - 00;39;18;05
Tom Green
That unless he unless he flails.
00;39;18;05 - 00;39;19;23
Ron Zappolo
So if he flails in the Super.
00;39;19;23 - 00;39;20;11
Tom Green
Bowl then.
00;39;20;11 - 00;39;21;26
Ron Zappolo
It's back to he sucks.
00;39;21;26 - 00;39;25;05
Tom Green
Well Minnesota was smart. They didn't sign him and they went with J.J. McCarthy.
00;39;25;05 - 00;39;26;02
Ron Zappolo
Yeah that was a good move.
00;39;26;02 - 00;39;26;11
Tom Green
That was.
00;39;26;11 - 00;39;30;28
Ron Zappolo
Pretty solid. Oh how about Seattle getting rid of Geno Smith. Yeah we'll take Smith who was.
00;39;30;28 - 00;39;35;07
Woody Paige
Maybe the worst quarterback in a Super Bowl trade deal for.
00;39;35;10 - 00;39;36;02
Ron Zappolo
Dilfer.
00;39;36;05 - 00;39;36;16
Woody Paige
Okay.
00;39;36;16 - 00;39;37;18
Tom Green
David Woodley and.
00;39;37;21 - 00;39;38;17
Ron Zappolo
Brad Johnson.
00;39;38;17 - 00;39;42;15
Woody Paige
Did he come back. But did Dilfer come back and have an incredible career after that.
00;39;42;15 - 00;39;43;03
Ron Zappolo
No. No.
00;39;43;04 - 00;40;04;14
Woody Paige
So to sit here and say that Sam Darnold is now proven that he's going to be a future Hall of Famer. No don't think that's guys I'm gonna give you an answer. Of my own question though I would think the NFL would have wanted one of two Super Bowls San Francisco not San Francisco Rams.
00;40;04;14 - 00;40;04;28
Tom Green
Okay.
00;40;04;28 - 00;40;14;00
Woody Paige
Versus the bills I think that would have been it. Sure sure I got a better one though. Rams versus the Chargers.
00;40;14;02 - 00;40;14;20
Tom Green
Oh yeah that.
00;40;14;20 - 00;40;15;22
Ron Zappolo
Would have been good to.
00;40;15;24 - 00;40;17;00
Speaker 2
So that would have been good.
00;40;17;04 - 00;40;22;20
Woody Paige
We've never had that happen. No that would have been the excitement around Los Angeles.
00;40;22;20 - 00;40;23;06
Ron Zappolo
Yeah.
00;40;23;08 - 00;40;24;20
Tom Green
When you talk about Seattle.
00;40;24;20 - 00;40;27;19
Woody Paige
And Super Bowl anyway that's what I think the NFL.
00;40;27;19 - 00;40;28;06
Ron Zappolo
I think.
00;40;28;08 - 00;40;31;02
Woody Paige
They saying loved the meeting at the bills today as they do.
00;40;31;02 - 00;40;33;09
Ron Zappolo
And Josh Allen against Matt Stafford.
00;40;33;11 - 00;40;47;25
Tom Green
But if when you talk about the Patriots having a chance in the Super Bowl there's there is one element that's in their favor. Seattle is two different teams. When they're at home they're a behemoth. They're on the road. They're a very good team. But they are different.
00;40;47;26 - 00;40;50;15
Woody Paige
Well that's about as close as they get to being right.
00;40;50;15 - 00;40;51;02
Tom Green
But it's not.
00;40;51;04 - 00;40;52;06
Woody Paige
It was down the road.
00;40;52;06 - 00;40;53;26
Speaker 2
Oh you know it's not a long term.
00;40;53;28 - 00;40;57;28
Tom Green
Super Bowl like a half. The crowd there doesn't care. Half the crowd there.
00;40;58;00 - 00;41;03;06
Ron Zappolo
People that have been gone don't understand how how antiseptic the Super Bowl there.
00;41;03;09 - 00;41;06;03
Tom Green
Pro guys from Chevron and the guys from Kodak. No one.
00;41;06;03 - 00;41;06;27
Ron Zappolo
Cares.
00;41;06;29 - 00;41;09;05
Tom Green
I don't care about the game. I just want to say I was here. I just.
00;41;09;05 - 00;41;09;14
Ron Zappolo
Want to.
00;41;09;18 - 00;41;32;07
Woody Paige
Give you an old, thing that happened to me. I had a publisher of the Denver Post at one point come to me and say he grew up in Wisconsin. Some people know who I'm talking about. Packers fan, Broncos fan. And he comes to me before the Super Bowl and says, I need 50 tickets. And I said, how about meeting the Pope?
00;41;32;09 - 00;41;34;01
Speaker 2
50. Good. 1 or 2. Yeah.
00;41;34;04 - 00;41;36;08
Ron Zappolo
Yeah, it's 50 are funny. You know.
00;41;36;10 - 00;41;59;26
Woody Paige
So not only what you're talking about, but of those 50 tickets, there were about 40 guys that were car dealers. Yeah. Who didn't care about anything. So to back up what you're saying, having been there, you look over there where the normally the band would be sitting, right, you know, at a college game and and there's 150 guys from Gillette.
00;42;00;02 - 00;42;01;09
Speaker 2
Yeah, exactly.
00;42;01;09 - 00;42;04;05
Tom Green
Well, there also be a lot of Bad Bunny fans who also.
00;42;04;05 - 00;42;21;18
Ron Zappolo
But it's facing about people, though I remember when I was working, guys would say, hey, the NCAA tournament is coming to town. Could you get me eight tickets? Yeah, sure. How many do you want to just go? Let me ask you both you guys a question I read yesterday and I wanted to ask your opinions. I think I read it on Pro Football Talk.
00;42;21;20 - 00;42;46;22
Ron Zappolo
And I do go on there once in a while. And they wrote about the Denver game and they said, listen, there's been a move afoot. It's been batted down over the years that the conference championship games should be played in neutral sites so that we get away from what we had in Denver, where the elements had more to do with the game than anything else.
00;42;46;25 - 00;42;47;21
Tom Green
That'd be a shame.
00;42;47;29 - 00;42;51;09
Ron Zappolo
I don't know how you could do that, but I have heard that before.
00;42;51;09 - 00;42;55;15
Tom Green
Yeah. I mean, you could I could see them making it into a destination thing, but.
00;42;55;18 - 00;42;55;29
Speaker 2
You know.
00;42;55;29 - 00;43;20;28
Woody Paige
Throw the NCAA playoffs into it, both in basketball. Yeah. A first round of NCAA basketball games you go to. And yeah, the stands are empty and they're even more empty when the two teams that you want to see play, you leave it and you don't drink. And we saw and now that the football playoffs going on, they're playing in places where there.
00;43;21;00 - 00;43;34;10
Tom Green
But the NFL is different. And if they if they say say that we're going to play the game at the stadium and then secondary ticket market, all that stuff, they, they they end up filling the place. And again, it would also be the guys from Gillette and the guys.
00;43;34;12 - 00;43;35;23
Woody Paige
Play all year, I think.
00;43;35;25 - 00;43;46;01
Ron Zappolo
To get a home field advantage. Right. Yeah, that's what I think. Plus I think two things television. The ratings are always high. Yeah, for bad weather games.
00;43;46;03 - 00;43;46;24
Woody Paige
And you can't.
00;43;46;24 - 00;43;54;21
Ron Zappolo
Tell fanbases, hey, come all year. But when we get to the penultimate game it's going to be in Sandy Jerry world.
00;43;54;21 - 00;43;56;02
Speaker 2
Yeah. I don't think you.
00;43;56;02 - 00;44;11;08
Woody Paige
Can do suggestions over the years that have been laughed and scoffed at and may run out of town as a result of was one that every NCAA Division one basketball team should be in in the playoff tournament, Bob Knight called me.
00;44;11;11 - 00;44;12;26
Tom Green
The math on it isn't that bad.
00;44;12;26 - 00;44;21;12
Woody Paige
Yeah, yeah, it's only one more week. But my other one was that the World Series be played in the daytime. Boys in Hawaii?
00;44;21;13 - 00;44;23;18
Speaker 2
Oh well, in Hawaii.
00;44;23;21 - 00;44;24;11
Ron Zappolo
That's.
00;44;24;13 - 00;44;25;06
Woody Paige
Because of.
00;44;25;09 - 00;44;26;10
Ron Zappolo
Had daytime.
00;44;26;10 - 00;44;28;23
Tom Green
Though. I love the day. I remember the daytime World Series.
00;44;28;23 - 00;44;29;09
Ron Zappolo
We all do.
00;44;29;12 - 00;44;36;05
Woody Paige
You could do that. Yeah. You play the World Series in Hawaii. It comes on at 8:00 in.
00;44;36;07 - 00;44;37;09
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah.
00;44;37;09 - 00;44;48;21
Woody Paige
Wait a second, though, you kind of fill up the stadium. Both, city of Hawaii. Let's say it's L.A. and and the Chicago White Sox. People are going to go to Hawaii.
00;44;48;23 - 00;44;50;04
Tom Green
Oh, they don't have a watch this.
00;44;50;04 - 00;44;52;14
Woody Paige
They don't really have a good baseball stadium.
00;44;52;14 - 00;44;56;18
Ron Zappolo
Now, but it's the same, I think. You can't take that away.
00;44;56;19 - 00;44;57;09
Tom Green
The people.
00;44;57;10 - 00;44;59;03
Speaker 2
The Yankee Stadium and those.
00;44;59;03 - 00;45;00;23
Tom Green
People went for anyone.
00;45;00;23 - 00;45;03;04
Woody Paige
Who said, I said I was almost right.
00;45;03;07 - 00;45;04;07
Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah.
00;45;04;09 - 00;45;06;24
Woody Paige
As Oprah would say by over an hour. But since.
00;45;06;24 - 00;45;07;11
Tom Green
We're on baseball.
00;45;07;12 - 00;45;19;01
Woody Paige
Say to me, he would look at me. He said, you know what? Those ideas would he grab yourself a flag and as you're leaving town, act like a you're leading a parade.
00;45;19;01 - 00;45;19;17
Speaker 2
You're.
00;45;19;17 - 00;45;20;10
Tom Green
Being run. And we.
00;45;20;10 - 00;45;22;04
Ron Zappolo
Could tell our stories for the next.
00;45;22;04 - 00;45;43;04
Tom Green
Hour. So the, the baseball coming up now, at least in Colorado, because the football season's over. The Rockies pitchers and catchers, I'm told, are reporting. So that's good. So they'll have someone to stop the ball. But, we also found out this week at Rockies Fan Fest that they're going to be adding statues at fields. Yeah, it was big Fan Fest weekend.
00;45;43;07 - 00;45;55;20
Tom Green
Oh, with the Broncos in the AFC Championship game that ran under the radar a little bit, but that's just for Todd Helton and Larry Walker will be, set up or they'll be.
00;45;55;20 - 00;45;59;23
Ron Zappolo
Like the monuments at Yankee Stadium. They're going to be actually in the they'll.
00;45;59;23 - 00;45;59;27
Tom Green
Be.
00;46;00;06 - 00;46;05;05
Woody Paige
Able to play they they have a they have a just a generic player outside.
00;46;05;12 - 00;46;05;19
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00;46;05;20 - 00;46;06;18
Woody Paige
Yeah they do.
00;46;06;20 - 00;46;07;20
Tom Green
Behind home plate. Yeah.
00;46;07;20 - 00;46;18;16
Woody Paige
Home plate didn't I've always thought that was bad. But I'm more concerned than that. I think it's a good idea. They didn't recognize players and they were always waiting for Todd Helton.
00;46;18;17 - 00;46;19;08
Tom Green
Right to.
00;46;19;08 - 00;46;48;03
Woody Paige
Retire. And I felt like, you know, you could do more than just have 42 on the wall out there. But what disturbs me, given everything, well, I was surprised that the San Diego Padres hired Bill Schmidt to be a top scout for them. Yeah. This leads me into my point. I'm reading the top 100, top 100 major league prospects going into this season.
00;46;48;06 - 00;46;49;22
Woody Paige
How many do you think the Rockies have?
00;46;49;22 - 00;46;51;00
Tom Green
And I'm afraid to guess.
00;46;51;00 - 00;46;53;05
Ron Zappolo
I can't answer because I. I read the same.
00;46;53;06 - 00;46;58;23
Tom Green
I'm going to say, oh, I ordered two to.
00;46;58;26 - 00;47;00;29
Woody Paige
Was one half of what you just.
00;47;00;29 - 00;47;02;06
Speaker 2
Yes I would.
00;47;02;08 - 00;47;03;05
Tom Green
I was one.
00;47;03;05 - 00;47;03;21
Ron Zappolo
Ethan.
00;47;03;21 - 00;47;08;06
Woody Paige
Holiday. Oh yeah. That's 66 at 66.
00;47;08;06 - 00;47;08;17
Ron Zappolo
And he's.
00;47;08;17 - 00;47;10;07
Woody Paige
60 only.
00;47;10;09 - 00;47;12;07
Ron Zappolo
Only in there because of the lineage.
00;47;12;07 - 00;47;26;15
Tom Green
Not really. So if you're the if you're the worst team in baseball, usually you look down the pipeline and you see, oh it's going to be here. Give me a year or two. It's coming. And they don't have that. That's but let's do the statues real quick because obviously these are the two good players.
00;47;26;15 - 00;47;26;22
Speaker 2
Todd.
00;47;26;22 - 00;47;28;08
Ron Zappolo
Helton and Larry Walker, the two best.
00;47;28;08 - 00;47;42;04
Tom Green
Players. Yeah. So August and September they're going to do that. And I just you know they make these announcements in with the Rockies. You always have to try to understand what they're doing. It seems like maybe they're having a tough time selling some of their season ticket.
00;47;42;04 - 00;47;43;15
Ron Zappolo
Packages and wonder.
00;47;43;17 - 00;48;08;23
Woody Paige
Last year. And I have someone and they have to report it to the treasurer's office. Yeah, no I'm not. I don't have a, some sort of source close to the city treasurer, but I have someone that knows what's going on, and he said it's down less than 15,000, season season tickets. They have all these packages where you could pick four games, right?
00;48;08;23 - 00;48;28;25
Woody Paige
Eight games, and you can't add them in. But people who buy actually, 81 game season that it that it's they're doing whatever they, you know Christian night where you know they bring in Christian bands and it's kind of funny that they have Christian Night, but they don't involve anybody that's Jewish or.
00;48;28;27 - 00;48;29;28
Speaker 2
Right.
00;48;30;00 - 00;48;32;13
Ron Zappolo
They shouldn't be. They should be taking on all comers.
00;48;32;19 - 00;48;33;29
Speaker 2
Yeah. I just I just.
00;48;33;29 - 00;48;38;10
Woody Paige
Find that a bit odd. But they'll probably add six more Sagittarius night.
00;48;38;10 - 00;48;39;12
Speaker 2
That's going to be a big one.
00;48;39;16 - 00;48;41;06
Ron Zappolo
Oh, Capricorn.
00;48;41;08 - 00;48;49;06
Woody Paige
They'll have more fun with the lights and stuff like that. But I just, this this smells.
00;48;49;06 - 00;48;50;10
Ron Zappolo
It does.
00;48;50;13 - 00;48;57;25
Tom Green
So is they're going to go down there and report they have Ethan Holiday in the pipeline, and they've got.
00;48;57;27 - 00;49;02;12
Woody Paige
Your second choice. I found Hollander. Is it, doll?
00;49;02;14 - 00;49;06;18
Tom Green
The picture. Jason I don't know if he would count as a prospect, because he may.
00;49;06;18 - 00;49;08;00
Ron Zappolo
Because he may not have,
00;49;08;02 - 00;49;08;19
Tom Green
Pitched enough in.
00;49;08;19 - 00;49;11;17
Ron Zappolo
The. But, yeah, he may still be an official prospect.
00;49;11;17 - 00;49;12;24
Woody Paige
I thought he would have, at least.
00;49;12;29 - 00;49;17;26
Tom Green
But, they did sign, Willy Castro.
00;49;17;28 - 00;49;21;07
Ron Zappolo
Are we serious here, or can we move on to the Avs and the nuggets?
00;49;21;10 - 00;49;22;25
Woody Paige
Well, he was in the All-Star game.
00;49;22;25 - 00;49;24;25
Ron Zappolo
Can we move on to the can we move on to.
00;49;24;25 - 00;49;28;07
Tom Green
He's an infielder outfielder. He's an importer exporter.
00;49;28;09 - 00;49;34;01
Speaker 2
Well let's talk and I tell you about Joe Goldman story.
00;49;34;04 - 00;49;37;14
Ron Zappolo
Can we talk about Nathan MacKinnon.
00;49;37;16 - 00;49;53;12
Woody Paige
Who played for the Memphis team? I did I said, you have family? Said, yeah, back in new Jersey. Who? He said, my brother. I said, what business? An import export. Oh, in new Jersey. What is the import export? He said drugs.
00;49;53;15 - 00;49;56;09
Speaker 2
Does he say Ron?
00;49;56;10 - 00;50;00;04
Woody Paige
He did it till last week. And then they arrested him. But.
00;50;00;07 - 00;50;04;20
Ron Zappolo
I think we talk about if you could just coming back too early or. Here we go. Can we do.
00;50;04;23 - 00;50;19;01
Woody Paige
Totally lot people? Actually, it's only about spring training. They have they have not signed a top free agent. They've found guys that to buy contracts they have not made. I could also also be talking about the Red Sox, the.
00;50;19;01 - 00;50;22;12
Ron Zappolo
All the Red Sox actually did go out and signed free agents. And now it's just the.
00;50;22;12 - 00;50;30;09
Woody Paige
Rock signed a big time free agent. That that would have been something if you had come out for the statues. I'm all for. I like Larry.
00;50;30;09 - 00;50;33;00
Tom Green
You're both like that to both deserving.
00;50;33;03 - 00;50;49;07
Woody Paige
I know when times go over friends. But, well, I'm not friends I would have liked just once. Maybe they still have a month to do this. Go sign one of those free agents. Well, first baseman, there's a guy that used to play for Arizona.
00;50;49;10 - 00;50;51;12
Speaker 2
So there's Framber.
00;50;51;12 - 00;50;58;21
Ron Zappolo
Valdez is still out there. Eugenio Suarez, the guy with 15 homeruns last year, was still out.
00;50;58;21 - 00;51;01;14
Woody Paige
There. Instead of a fan fest instead of test, you go.
00;51;01;14 - 00;51;01;27
Ron Zappolo
Sign one.
00;51;01;27 - 00;51;18;00
Woody Paige
Of those, announce we got two announcements today. If I own the world and I was in charge of the team, we have two announcements for today. We have just signed a future Hall of Famer that played first base for the Cardinals, played the first base for the Diamondbacks. He played first base last year for the Yankees.
00;51;18;07 - 00;51;18;29
Ron Zappolo
Paul Goldschmidt.
00;51;18;29 - 00;51;28;01
Woody Paige
Yeah, we just saw the future Hall of Famer could finish his career here and we got rid of Chris Bright. Thank you very much. No questions.
00;51;28;01 - 00;51;34;25
Tom Green
They do have to do that. They have to do what the angels did with Rendon. They have to go. We're going to make a deal.
00;51;34;25 - 00;51;38;19
Woody Paige
What are you waiting on? That would be the biggest offseason announcement, fellas.
00;51;38;19 - 00;51;39;19
Ron Zappolo
Nobody cares.
00;51;39;19 - 00;51;42;24
Tom Green
Oh, but they you know why they have to do it. There is. He's sitting down there.
00;51;42;26 - 00;52;11;01
Ron Zappolo
Listen, nobody goes to the games. Nobody cares about the results of the games. I guarantee you their TV ratings are abysmal. Made. The major leagues have to make a deal to put them. No one cares in Denver anymore. It's up to them to make people care. That's not for us to drum up interest. It's up to them to excite us to go to the ballpark.
00;52;11;04 - 00;52;12;01
Ron Zappolo
Period. And that's.
00;52;12;01 - 00;52;13;01
Tom Green
What's amazing, is that they.
00;52;13;01 - 00;52;14;29
Woody Paige
Have all gone to you. Okay.
00;52;15;01 - 00;52;15;28
Tom Green
So I want to ask you about.
00;52;16;00 - 00;52;20;11
Ron Zappolo
Somebody who's actually trying to win, but who actually gives a damn.
00;52;20;13 - 00;52;27;05
Tom Green
What about the nuggets, though? In this realm, as we sit here, they have nine games left before the All-Star break.
00;52;27;05 - 00;52;27;26
Ron Zappolo
Okay.
00;52;27;29 - 00;52;31;29
Tom Green
It sounds like we're going to see Jokic before the All-Star break, if not in the very.
00;52;31;29 - 00;52;33;22
Ron Zappolo
Near it may seem in the near future.
00;52;33;22 - 00;52;53;29
Tom Green
But also looming before that is the trade deadline. Yes. And the nuggets are thought of as a very passive. If you look at the NBA you know who's going to make a deal and who isn't. They look passive. But this has been such an interesting first half of their season where they've suddenly given value to the Zeke energies and Jalen Pickett to the world.
00;52;53;29 - 00;52;59;02
Tom Green
And you know Payton Watson's going to be a problem contractually. But Johnson.
00;52;59;02 - 00;53;02;23
Ron Zappolo
Payton Watson is one of the best stories in the NBA.
00;53;02;23 - 00;53;12;13
Tom Green
Right. But does this does this add to the nuggets likelihood of making a deal in that they now have assets that probably were worth nothing on the market?
00;53;12;13 - 00;53;28;10
Ron Zappolo
I don't know, I don't think it does. I think you make a good point. But I think the nuggets feel and I'm speculating here, okay, that they're the deepest team in the NBA and that the injuries to so many frontline players have proven to them what kind of depth they.
00;53;28;10 - 00;53;28;28
Tom Green
Got guys.
00;53;28;28 - 00;53;54;18
Ron Zappolo
And we got guys. And when it really gets to be serious, we can call on Zeke Naji. We can call on Jalen Pickett. We can get some answers from people that we didn't think we could get. And they're better than anybody we could bring in, save for some gigantic seismic trade, which I don't think they're going to do because they think they like their roster.
00;53;54;20 - 00;54;04;28
Woody Paige
I'm laughing because do you know what the second most notable player who was in the trade market, number one, is.
00;54;05;00 - 00;54;05;19
Tom Green
And PJ.
00;54;05;24 - 00;54;08;21
Ron Zappolo
Yanez is number one, Michael Porter junior,
00;54;08;23 - 00;54;09;29
Woody Paige
Trading for Michael Porter.
00;54;09;29 - 00;54;26;07
Ron Zappolo
You know the thing with Michael Porter Junior because again I watched him the other night and I watch a lot of NBA. He's on a bad team. Somebody has to score on a bad team. And if you're going to go out and give up a lot for Michael Porter Jr, beware of yeah what you're going to get.
00;54;26;10 - 00;54;27;23
Tom Green
He looks good on the stat sheet.
00;54;27;24 - 00;54;35;20
Woody Paige
He looks real good. And I think they're going to make a trade for one reason Jones has a two way contract.
00;54;35;20 - 00;54;37;04
Tom Green
And he's complaining at a room.
00;54;37;04 - 00;54;45;04
Woody Paige
They got to do something to get him off the two way contract where they got to trade one of those guys. Strong author maybe.
00;54;45;04 - 00;54;48;20
Ron Zappolo
Yeah. But if they do that would he? Those aren't those aren't big moves. So that's.
00;54;48;20 - 00;54;51;10
Tom Green
Why I think yeah, here's the mystery man I Jones.
00;54;51;10 - 00;54;59;04
Woody Paige
Has been a, he's not a secret, but he's been a he's been good clean up on now five kind of guy should.
00;54;59;06 - 00;54;59;22
Ron Zappolo
Yeah I agree.
00;54;59;22 - 00;55;01;25
Tom Green
He's a better player than a two way contract.
00;55;01;25 - 00;55;04;08
Ron Zappolo
Yeah. He's a better player than what they thought they had. Yeah.
00;55;04;09 - 00;55;16;23
Tom Green
Here's the mystery man Cam Johnson because he had just started to fit in and find his way. And they gave up a lot for him. And they're paying him a lot. But I don't know that he's nugget yet so.
00;55;16;23 - 00;55;20;10
Woody Paige
And you but before he got hurt he became right. He was no good.
00;55;20;11 - 00;55;28;11
Tom Green
He was doing it. But I'm looking at Peyton Watson. And that what you're going to do with your money and what you're going to do with cam Johnson.
00;55;28;13 - 00;55;34;12
Ron Zappolo
It's also going to be interesting when Cam Johnson does come back. Do you start Cam Johnson or do you start.
00;55;34;14 - 00;55;36;04
Tom Green
Yeah, I'm not so sure.
00;55;36;06 - 00;55;49;05
Woody Paige
It's going to be gone at the end of the year. He he idolized the famous story. He idolized Durant. Rent took him under his arm. He wants to go be Michael Porter. Sure. Somewhere he wants to be the guy.
00;55;49;06 - 00;55;51;03
Ron Zappolo
But for now, somewhere. But for this year.
00;55;51;03 - 00;56;00;08
Woody Paige
So you keep him. You got to keep him. And he got to keep them. You make some minor deal where you. So you can sign Jones, but you're Watson's.
00;56;00;08 - 00;56;05;14
Tom Green
God, if you want to win an NBA championship, the nuggets will need their starters.
00;56;05;16 - 00;56;06;25
Ron Zappolo
Oh, yeah, they got to be healthy.
00;56;06;25 - 00;56;17;16
Tom Green
But that makes me wonder because we saw Christian Brown come back and have to go back away. Aaron Gordon came back or or do we have the right people in place.
00;56;17;17 - 00;56;19;06
Ron Zappolo
Well that begs the question.
00;56;19;08 - 00;56;20;11
Tom Green
Nikola.
00;56;20;13 - 00;56;23;26
Ron Zappolo
Jokic come back or should they on the side of court.
00;56;23;26 - 00;56;32;09
Tom Green
Who's making those decisions. Who is rehabbing these guys. And I'm not I'm not blaming. But I'm saying you got to look at your track record and go, we're not doing it wrong.
00;56;32;16 - 00;56;59;01
Woody Paige
One of the famous basketball, media experts had a mid-season report on Most Valuable Player stuff. And picked as the executive of the year. Two guys. Yeah, with the nuggets. And I thought, that's right, that's right. They they did do what was supposed to be done. They strengthened the bench here and they were able to get rid of a big contract.
00;56;59;01 - 00;57;06;10
Woody Paige
And Michael Porter and they brought in somebody that was beginning to fit in. I thought he was worthless at the beginning of the year. He was not.
00;57;06;10 - 00;57;08;10
Tom Green
He couldn't shoot at all. Yeah, he's a shooter, but.
00;57;08;10 - 00;57;34;19
Woody Paige
I'll give you a, the other side of the joke thing. Are they, after what we've seen with both Christian Brown and with, Gordon Gordon, that they both came back prematurely? That. Do you hold him out? Or. Here's the other thing. You do is right before the All-Star game, you start him in 3 or 4 games, let him play, and he's eligible then for the most valuable player.
00;57;34;21 - 00;57;39;00
Woody Paige
And that sounds like a move that would be made with the 76 ers.
00;57;39;03 - 00;57;40;18
Speaker 2
Yeah that's right it does.
00;57;40;18 - 00;57;46;25
Woody Paige
But they can't even do that now because he's not any good. But I think well do you do that to squeeze him back into the MVP.
00;57;46;25 - 00;57;47;25
Tom Green
Booker wouldn't do it.
00;57;47;27 - 00;57;49;14
Ron Zappolo
You know what that's the good news.
00;57;49;17 - 00;57;56;20
Tom Green
He would go yeah. He don't care. I got MVP's, you know what they mean already. My kid climbs on them. You know, that's that's what we call it, though.
00;57;56;21 - 00;57;57;20
Speaker 2
Well, the.
00;57;57;23 - 00;58;05;06
Woody Paige
Most certain thing we have in talent, I think, is the the edge. Even though they have their moments where they just disappear.
00;58;05;07 - 00;58;10;10
Tom Green
We're down to two possible parades. The third parade went by the boards on Sunday.
00;58;10;12 - 00;58;12;03
Ron Zappolo
Down to two,
00;58;12;05 - 00;58;12;22
Tom Green
Down to two.
00;58;12;23 - 00;58;31;05
Ron Zappolo
Plus, I think I'm going to give the abs. I'm going to cut them a little bit of slack, because I think the whole league has this kind of malaise. Before they shut down. Totally. And I think guys heads are not in it in the abs of a couple of bad games, but I still think they're the cream of the board.
00;58;31;05 - 00;58;36;15
Ron Zappolo
The they're the best team. When it gets down to when it really counts, they'll show us how good they are.
00;58;36;15 - 00;58;52;25
Tom Green
It'll be interesting to see what they look like in the days when Landry starts to practice again and play again, because they've they've gone into that little malaise, as you put it, when when Landry went out and they seemed to flatten out, and they've got a cool schedule coming up and, you know, they're running it.
00;58;52;25 - 00;58;55;03
Woody Paige
Just can't get Olympic in and hurt the King.
00;58;55;06 - 00;58;56;15
Ron Zappolo
Or McCaw.
00;58;56;17 - 00;58;57;12
Woody Paige
Yes.
00;58;57;14 - 00;58;58;01
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00;58;58;04 - 00;59;01;04
Woody Paige
They can't go through what the nuggets have gone through.
00;59;01;05 - 00;59;36;20
Tom Green
With the Olympics coming up. It's been a very difficult week in America. World Cup is coming. The Olympics are coming. And the way the rest of the world views our country, the way we view our country, seems to change. Daily, weekly, monthly. There is there is concern that when it comes to international events in America, that the international community is not as interested in participating in major sporting events or may not be able to or want to participate in major sporting events here.
00;59;36;20 - 00;59;47;02
Tom Green
And it's going to be, I think, very interesting, very controversial. What does come, because everything does come with controversy these days.
00;59;47;04 - 00;59;59;25
Ron Zappolo
I agree. I think we're, we're tempting fate with the world. And as one American to another, I'm I'm distraught over what's happening. And I'm sure it is going to affect, the world of sports.
00;59;59;25 - 01;00;01;04
Tom Green
Including your friends. Candidate.
01;00;01;10 - 01;00;01;20
Ron Zappolo
Yes.
01;00;01;20 - 01;00;03;05
Tom Green
You know, our best friends.
01;00;03;05 - 01;00;23;26
Ron Zappolo
Yeah, our best allies. And you know, when when the leader of our country gets up and says, you know, NATO's never really done anything for us, and they showed up in a few wars, but they wrote the back. They were afraid to go in the front. And you see all these prime ministers of other countries talk about how many people they lost fighting in Iraq or fighting in Afghanistan.
01;00;23;29 - 01;00;33;14
Ron Zappolo
It doesn't make you proud to be an American. And I think that, sports will it it'll play out in the world of sports. The way it plays out in real life.
01;00;33;14 - 01;00;35;23
Tom Green
And what the temperature doesn't seem to ever go down.
01;00;35;25 - 01;00;52;17
Woody Paige
Germany is, threatening to boycott you. You've seen the return if you apply for ticket. That's one thing. Once you get it, you can't turn it back. I guess you could try and sell somebody 73,000 tickets.
01;00;52;17 - 01;00;54;02
Tom Green
This is World Cup, you know.
01;00;54;04 - 01;01;21;19
Woody Paige
For the World Cup, 73,000 tickets were applied for but were not paid for. So that's kind of what's going on in the world in regard to the World Cup. And the Olympics is going to be a situation where people are going to say, I don't want to go even in this country. But if you are a fan and you're in, let's say, Brazil and you like soccer, go back to work for a moment.
01;01;21;22 - 01;01;38;01
Woody Paige
Yeah. Why would I go to the United States? People are not coming to the United States anyway for the World Cup. They're going to go to Mexico when the games are in Mexico. That's where they're going for games. And there are enough soccer fans in this country that they'll fill stadiums for the for that.
01;01;38;01 - 01;01;38;27
Tom Green
But the teams too.
01;01;38;27 - 01;02;03;09
Woody Paige
Because if they don't get kicked out, they'll be able to go to the games, but they might be kicked out of the country, are afraid to go to a game because they might be, because I read the latest thing maybe an hour ago coming here in the lift that, ISIS going to be in charge of a lot of the security at these events.
01;02;03;09 - 01;02;03;21
Woody Paige
And you can't.
01;02;03;21 - 01;02;05;05
Ron Zappolo
Believe that.
01;02;05;07 - 01;02;07;07
Woody Paige
Really, with what.
01;02;07;10 - 01;02;12;12
Ron Zappolo
We learned, we learned by putting the Hells Angels at Altamont that there you go. Works out very.
01;02;12;12 - 01;02;36;24
Tom Green
Well. So the dream used to be that Olympics, the Olympics, the Olympiads would be apolitical. And in 1972, that changed in Munich. In 1980, it changed with the boycott of the Moscow Games. 84 the Russians didn't come to Los Angeles. And obviously the the politics are now thickly and strongly woven into almost everything you have to do with the Olympics.
01;02;36;26 - 01;02;56;03
Tom Green
So now you'll have athletes, which takes you back to John Carlos and Tommie Smith in Mexico City in 1968. But athletes will or won't participate. Athletes will make their own decisions, and in social media, it won't be done in silence. It'll be a very loud, global, examination. You know.
01;02;56;03 - 01;03;29;28
Ron Zappolo
We talked about this last week when George Karl was here, but again, playing no favorites, kind of proud of the NBA kind of proud of Chris Finch and Steve Kerr for what they said this weekend. Kind of proud of the NBA Players Association for putting out something that says we stand with people, in our community and I wish more sports organizations in general would would take more of a stand and get more involved in the communities in which they thrive and survive.
01;03;30;03 - 01;03;53;06
Woody Paige
Yeah, NFL did a bit putting, in the end zones and on the back of the helmets, in regard to doctor Martin Luther King Jr Day, I've been getting since last week. Stick to football, Woody. Well, can't stick to football. Football's over. I'm sorry. I have to move out. Hey.
01;03;53;08 - 01;03;54;22
Ron Zappolo
You're a human being. You live.
01;03;54;22 - 01;03;56;20
Woody Paige
You live in the. You know, I haven't gone to shut.
01;03;56;20 - 01;03;59;28
Tom Green
Up and dribble. Does doesn't wear as well.
01;04;00;02 - 01;04;23;22
Woody Paige
Not quite having gone to 14 Olympics, including one in Sarajevo. And I just want to mention this in passing. I won't make a long harangue out of it that was still under the thumb of the Soviet Union, and they brought in toothbrushes for the media. The week before, they didn't have toothbrushes in Sarajevo and Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia no longer exist.
01;04;23;25 - 01;04;24;18
Speaker 2
Yeah.
01;04;24;20 - 01;04;56;06
Woody Paige
All of the venues were destroyed. The country was destroyed as a result of civil unrest, military actions taken by different groups in the country, like what we have here. There were people that were opposed to each other, having watched that, having not gone to, Russia in 1980 because, our president said we're not going and that, wanted to go to Russia.
01;04;56;08 - 01;05;26;09
Woody Paige
But then I have been in Atlanta, down the block from a bombing that didn't turn out to be a terrorist act. It was by one person, and it scared the hell out of me. But the rest of the Atlantic Olympics, which we were, what, the 100 anniversary of the Olympics, I think in Atlanta. And having seen it over and over again through my travels to the Olympics, that I can't imagine how bad is going to get here.
01;05;26;12 - 01;05;55;13
Woody Paige
I foresee that when the national anthem is played for United States athletes or German athletes or Bolivia athletes, they're going to turn their heads and stare in a different direction or put their bow their heads in or not show up, just not. We have created with the two major, biggest, major events in the entire world. Forget about the World Series, forget about Super Bowl, we're talking about the World Cup.
01;05;55;15 - 01;06;29;01
Woody Paige
And the only people don't that in the Olympics. And they're going to be just not dignified. They're not going to be a world of love, a world of united. This of togetherness. It's going to be a stage of people showing their feelings about this country in a in a negative way. And what we're going to see is something that happened in the National Football League when a quarterback took a knee.
01;06;29;03 - 01;06;40;08
Woody Paige
Yeah, during the national anthem, we're going to see a that magnified by 25 times by other countries and by our own countries during these two events.
01;06;40;10 - 01;06;54;19
Tom Green
But you also, the contrast is because you alluded to it is that the the idea of the love or the unity that it's the highest ideals of the Olympics, those those are the Olympic moments that I think we all so fondly remember when it felt like the world was collecting.
01;06;54;19 - 01;06;56;07
Ron Zappolo
Is one that was a long time.
01;06;56;07 - 01;07;16;06
Tom Green
Ago. And, and it's there are still whiffs of that, but it has become fewer and further between. And then the other side of that, the politics now that is and it's more than politics. It's it's human, it's life. And it's everything that includes war and violence to be attached to everything that includes the Olympiad or the, the World Cup.
01;07;16;06 - 01;07;32;03
Woody Paige
And I would just like to add that I have it's in the making because I, I, have connections in Ireland. Yeah. Where they do the greatest bond glass in the world. And I'm going to present the two of you with the people.
01;07;32;05 - 01;07;34;13
Woody Paige
Alternative cups.
01;07;34;15 - 01;07;36;19
Ron Zappolo
Are these like, an award like.
01;07;36;19 - 01;07;38;08
Tom Green
Win or you don't have to win.
01;07;38;08 - 01;07;39;06
Ron Zappolo
Or you don't have to win it.
01;07;39;06 - 01;07;39;28
Speaker 2
You just.
01;07;40;00 - 01;07;40;22
Tom Green
Get it.
01;07;40;25 - 01;07;46;03
Ron Zappolo
There's just what you're doing there. Can I get a Nobel Peace Prize as well?
01;07;46;06 - 01;07;46;27
Speaker 2
Yeah.
01;07;46;29 - 01;07;48;15
Tom Green
The young lady for,
01;07;48;18 - 01;07;49;22
Woody Paige
Giving me a Swedish.
01;07;49;22 - 01;08;04;01
Tom Green
Soccer star turned down FIFA's award, into their their League of fame, their Hall of Fame because of that, that presentation. She's so like I said, it's it's inescapable. It's unavoidable. And it'll be louder than ever, as you say, like.
01;08;04;01 - 01;08;07;17
Woody Paige
Quite a protest. I'm going to give back my, ribbon that I.
01;08;07;20 - 01;08;08;08
Ron Zappolo
I won for.
01;08;08;08 - 01;08;09;15
Woody Paige
Being in the car world sports.
01;08;09;16 - 01;08;11;20
Speaker 2
All of that. Hey, before.
01;08;11;24 - 01;08;17;16
Woody Paige
No, keep that. You know, I'm going to give it to I don't know. Well, there's one person in the country that wants all.
01;08;17;18 - 01;08;20;26
Speaker 2
Yeah, medals. I'm not Woody.
01;08;20;26 - 01;08;27;01
Tom Green
Lean over because I want people to be able to read your board before we go. I always want to make sure people get a chance to look at, what? He's chalkboard.
01;08;27;01 - 01;08;29;23
Ron Zappolo
Why am I constantly getting the.
01;08;30;00 - 01;08;32;24
Tom Green
It's he's he aims these things. God. It's like.
01;08;32;28 - 01;08;34;05
Ron Zappolo
What am I, a pinata?
01;08;34;05 - 01;08;42;23
Tom Green
Oh, read it for our listeners. It says it's not my sensitive. I'm not responsible for my facial expressions when Ron talks, it would.
01;08;42;24 - 01;08;49;04
Woody Paige
Do you know the answer to the question you just gave? Why do you get all this shit back here? He gives me a ride home.
01;08;49;04 - 01;08;50;18
Ron Zappolo
But yeah, that's what it is.
01;08;50;18 - 01;08;51;27
Woody Paige
Have you ever offered to give.
01;08;51;27 - 01;08;55;22
Ron Zappolo
No. Nope. And I'm not giving you one today after that.
01;08;55;24 - 01;08;59;07
Woody Paige
But I'll put you on the bike.
01;08;59;10 - 01;09;12;09
Tom Green
Fellas. Thanks. Good times. We'll do it again. And, we appreciate all of you at home for joining us. You can always reach us at at Gorilla Sportsnet. Thanks again for joining us here on After the Horn.