John Elway sits down with Tom Green, Woody Paige, and Ron Zappolo for a wide-ranging conversation about his football journey, his time leading the Broncos, his relationships with legendary coaches and quarterbacks, and what life looks like now. From draft day to the Super Bowl to stories from inside the GM’s office, Elway shares rare insight, humor, and honesty with three longtime Denver journalists.
John Elway joins After the Horn for a candid and personal conversation with Tom Green, Woody Paige, and Ron Zappolo. Elway reflects on stepping away from the Broncos and embracing a slower, more family-focused chapter of life, including becoming a grandfather many times over. He discusses climbing new mountains throughout his career — from Arena Football ownership to running NFL front offices — and how those experiences shaped his leadership. Elway opens up about his Netflix documentary, his relationship with his father and twin sister, and the emotional process of revisiting the hardest moments of his life.
The conversation spans his battles with Dan Reeves, the pressure that came with entering the league as a generational prospect, and the early struggles that built his competitive edge. He details the unique dynamics of the Peyton Manning signing, the construction of the Super Bowl 50 defense, and how Mike Shanahan and Gary Kubiak elevated the Broncos through culture, detail, and psychology. Elway also shares stories about the Tebow era, the challenges of developing young quarterbacks, and how the Broncos’ current culture under Sean Payton mirrors the confidence of Denver’s greatest teams. It’s a rare, honest look at Elway’s evolution as a player, executive, teammate, father, and competitor — told around the table with people who’ve known him for more than 40 years.
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Tom Green
It's a really big day here on After the Horn. One of Denver's biggest sports legends. Not you. Woody joins us next. John Elway is here.
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Ron Zappolo
Fellas, our guests today, one of the 2 or 3 greatest quarterbacks that ever played the game, John Elway. And I like the fact that you walked in. And when you said hello, you looked at me and said, oh, the three old stiffs. And I thought that should be the name of the show.
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Woody Paige
Yeah, but he talked to Doug Moe the other day.
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John Elway
And I think you.
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Woody Paige
People would agree with you told me.
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Ron Zappolo
Hey, but in John's defense, you said, well, I'm the fourth.
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John Elway
Right? Absolutely.
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John Elway
I'm getting to that point.
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Ron Zappolo
Good to see you.
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John Elway
Good to see you guys.
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Ron Zappolo
What have you been doing?
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John Elway
You know, I always have to look back at my schedule to see what I've been doing.
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John Elway
Welcome.
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Tom Green
To the club.
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John Elway
Yeah, but.
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Ron Zappolo
The fun, isn't it?
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John Elway
Yeah. I mean, life's good. You know, it's, I've been playing a lot of golf and, you know, stepping away from the Bronco, so enjoy the golf and, you know, get outside, move around, and still allows me to compete and, and, so that's mainly what it is. And then just looking after the family and sure, all the finances and that kind of stuff gets complicated every once and I with everything.
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Tom Green
Family's bigger.
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John Elway
Too. So it's like.
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John Elway
Yeah, yeah.
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Ron Zappolo
Hey, you told me a few months ago you worked hard to get to that point. Yeah. So whatever you want to do, it's cool. Right?
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John Elway
It is. You know, and I think it takes a while to get used to that. I think that it does. You know, I always thought. I never thought football would be out of my life or wouldn't be involved somehow. But, you know, I happened to be in the GM for 11 years. And then George came in. I kind of moved up a step and kind of oversight, and George kind of took over.
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John Elway
So it was it was a perfect kind of exit because I did that for two years. You know, you take the responsibility kind of goes away. And so eventually it was a perfect time for me to, to walk away from the Broncos. And the exit they gave me was great. And the fact that, you know, it was a slow, kind of gentle exit.
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John Elway
Yeah.
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John Elway
And then, but then, you know, and once I kind of went through that, I knew it was time that, you know what it was. It was time to go and get away from football and kind of start to join things. And. Yeah, and so I've been doing a lot of that and the ten grandkids now with number 11 on the.
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Ron Zappolo
Way over 11 on the way.
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John Elway
Yeah. So try to spend as much time as do you.
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Ron Zappolo
Think you're a better grandfather than you were father because I do is I got more time.
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John Elway
Right. Yeah. And unfortunately, my two older seven of my oldest lives, and Jesse lives in Sacramento, and Jordan lives down in Austin, so they've got seven between them. And then Juliana, my youngest, is.
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Ron Zappolo
Here with her three.
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John Elway
And then Jack is just there doing February with his first.
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Tom Green
That's impressive. You even knew everyone's name. And where I.
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John Elway
Work on my workout.
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John Elway
Days.
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John Elway
I was talking to Jordan my second the other day. I'm going, okay, I know how old they are. So they are the first, third and fifth grade. I said, okay, you know, I got it. But trying to always rehash that so I can remember it.
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Woody Paige
I don't want to remind you of things that have happened in the past, but you and I sat down at a restaurant in Cherry Creek when you were 50. And the reason why I can remember that it's because our birthdays are one day apart. Yours is June 26th and I 28, 28, and mine's 27. And I said to you at 50, what is it you want to do and left in your life?
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Woody Paige
And you said, I want to get back into football, what you did. And you said, I would like to travel to the Middle East. The third thing you said is I want to be a villain in a cowboy movie. I know you have traveled throughout Europe when in between playing and coming back as an executive. I know that you have gotten back into football, but have you ever, auditioned for being a villain in a movie?
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Woody Paige
Because we had a promo that showed you in a cowboy outfit and you were nicknamed Duke after John Wayne. I think.
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John Elway
Joe gave me that.
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John Elway
Name. Yes, I did.
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John Elway
Yeah, but everyone kept asking who gave it to me, and I started thinking about it, and I said it was Woody. They gave me that.
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Woody Paige
Do you know why I did that?
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John Elway
No. You should.
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Woody Paige
Know. Yeah, I know, I know because he is bow legged. John Wayne was bow legged at the wall. Probably don't know that the walk and the fact that, John Wayne was such a strong figure and he always won at the end of the movie, he was the winner. So winner. And the fact that he was strong, man and he walked bow legged, that was the reason I was looking for a nickname.
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Woody Paige
And oddly enough, later, Peyton Manning is called the sheriff. Right. And somebody came up with that, which I think was based on. Well, if John was the Duke and John Wayne didn't, but I wonder if you are still feeling that you should be in a cowboy movie.
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John Elway
Do you have a is there something?
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John Elway
I have always said that right, with the idea that I can't really ride a horse and it's like, I.
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John Elway
Guess you know, it's now, right? And there's that.
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Woody Paige
And I picked it up.
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John Elway
So it's like I still look at these guys riding the horses that fast, and I've never ridden one in a full gallop, even though I'm usually head on down to the horn with.
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John Elway
So.
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John Elway
52.
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Woody Paige
And so 15 years later, then what is what is it you were talking about? What you're doing playing golf and you being with your grandkids. But what's left? I mean, what is there? What objective do you have now? What sort of, thing that you haven't done in your life would you like to do you.
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John Elway
Know, I.
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John Elway
And I, you know, I and I say this is you know, I looked at it and I was always trying to climb a new mountain, right? So in football, I was trying to be the best I could be as a quarterback. And then, you know, I got in the Arena League because I and I did the Arena League because I wanted to learn a on the business side of football, and it was a start up.
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John Elway
So I got to know both sides and and learn the business side. So I did that for six years and.
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Woody Paige
Car dealerships.
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John Elway
And then I got that. Yeah, the dealerships way back, I did that at 91 and I did that because I knew eventually my football career was going to end too. I knew I was not going to coach, I knew I because number one, I saw how hard my dad worked, how much time it takes, and plus all the coaches that coach me.
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John Elway
I knew how much time they spent and I wasn't going to. I didn't want to spend that much time number one. And number two is there were a lot of things I couldn't tell you why I did certain things. I mean, it's so for me, it was so reactionary. Once I got into, you know, the technique of the drops, throwing the football where your shoulders are, you know, the depth of your drops.
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John Elway
And I worked hard on those things. But other than that, and, you know, reading coverages and those type of things, but there was a lot of things I did that I don't know why I did them. I just kind of reacted. And so that's why I wasn't sure I'd make a very good coach. And I think if you look at it, you know, and it's really history, you know, really the backup quarterbacks are the best coaches.
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John Elway
Right? Yeah.
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Tom Green
There's they study.
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John Elway
And they study and they look at it differently. And the way they you know they look at it more is at least with Gary you know, he look because he was end up being a great coach. But they look at it differently as a backup than they do in my mind as a, as a starter. And the fact that, you know, when Gary's looking at game plans, he was more interested in, okay, why are we doing things that are not at all where I was like, I want to know the why and what coverage we're after.
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John Elway
But other than that, I didn't need to know why.
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Tom Green
And I thought those guys also knew what it was like from In the Pocket, where it's like one thing when you're sitting up in the press box or on the sideline, it's the pockets mayhem, and you got to be able to add that into the mix. Those, those backups could do that.
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John Elway
Yeah, exactly. And they were they because they've been in that position. And it's funny you bring that up because everybody sees open people from the stands. Right. Sure. We all see it up there. I it would be interesting to see how many people get them in a pocket. And they experience just being in a pocket with those guys rushing and trying to read coverage and having the receivers run.
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Tom Green
Three seconds.
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John Elway
Just yeah, I know you're.
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Ron Zappolo
Saying, what's the biggest difference between college and the NFL in college? Everybody's running wide open in the NFL. That's where I.
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John Elway
Don't yeah, the windows are much, much smaller in the NFL. And you know you know get nice. You think about it when you're in college. So playing in the Pac 12 when there was if you look on the other side of the defense there's probably unless unless you're playing USC at that time back in those days that, you know, there may be one other player on that other team that is going to make an NFL roster just making out for a roster.
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John Elway
And so, you know, that's where you realize the jump in the talent. Once you get the NFL. And what a big jump it is.
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Tom Green
I always wondered if when you finished playing I imagine they came after you hard. Did you ever consider going into a booth or into a studio and taken one of those jobs? Because it seems like so many guys flow to that now, and it's much easier than coaching. You said you didn't want to devote that time. I imagine TV came after you pretty hard.
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John Elway
Yeah, but it was like, you know, Tom, I never because I didn't think that would be fulfilling. I wanted something that I was, you know, to me to go out and evaluate when you're the guy and you're getting evaluated all the time, you know, I can, I can. It's great emotional, Ray, because it's good and it's bad. Yeah, right.
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John Elway
There's no it's good and it's bad. And so I think that I didn't ever think that I want to be that guy to criticize. I didn't want to criticize. Right. So I didn't want to do that. And plus I just think for me it wouldn't have been fulfilling. So that's why I was looking for something else, you know, which is get back in the Arena League to where I felt like I was learning something right in the booth.
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John Elway
You're explaining what you know, whereas with the arena football, I was looking forward to that because I was it was I was learning and I like learning. I still like learning. And so that's why I never really, you know, ever really got attracted to getting in the booth and. Yeah, and explaining it.
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Woody Paige
So but there was a time, though, that you wanted to get back into football, but not as a coach, but as an executive. And that situation when Josh McDaniels failed and you and Pat Bowlen got together and decided that that would work. Why did you come back into football at that level? Since I was going to be probably more work than being coached.
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John Elway
Yeah, but and it was a big step, too. I mean, it was like I didn't have any experience, especially in the NFL. And so I think that, you know, I was fortunate to step in a good position. Brian Sanders was still there as the GM. Matt Russell was you know, I don't not think he was a college. I think it was at the head of the college side at that point in time.
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John Elway
And so really my first year now, it's like I said, I learned a lot in the Arena Football League. No, it's not the NFL, but you learn a lot about the business side and putting coaching staff together and players together. And even though it was arena, it wasn't that. But there was still experience doing that. And then yeah, I was I wasn't sure I was ever going to get a chance to come back to the Broncos.
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John Elway
And but then with everything that happened and I got the opportunity to I said, yeah, I'm, you know, kind of put my neck out there. But I figured that with the experience I had with the Arena League, what I knew about football, what I, the people had been around in the game that I felt like I could put a team together.
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John Elway
I knew because I had been on losing to both teams and I'd been on winning Super Bowl teams, and I felt like I knew the difference between what those were, whether it be the coaching and players. Obviously. And so I felt like I knew the difference had been around football long enough that I could learn my way into being a GM.
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John Elway
And so the first year, you know, I just can't really came in. Brian Sanders was still the GM and so everything was kind of in place. So I didn't change a lot of things. I just kind of sat and listened and watched. And we hired John Fox that year and and then,
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Woody Paige
Did did to interrupt you. Pardon me, but did you then do the same thing for John Lynch that they were doing for you? Because he's turned out to be an incredibly good. Yeah.
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John Elway
And I think, I think.
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Woody Paige
I and he spent time with you allowing you to mentor him.
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John Elway
Yeah. But for him to give him the opportunity to see if that's in and come in and see how everything works. Right. We think we know as players, but we don't know really. We're not up there to nearly as long as coaches and scouts and those type things. So we don't know that. So I just said if you want the opportunity to come in, you can come in and see whatever you want, be here as long as you want sent and draft meetings and done it out to see if it's something that he really want.
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John Elway
Wanted to do. And, you know, and John is a very smart guy, you know, and, so he's done a heck of a job and figured out he, you know, he wanted to get into it. It was funny. I had a long conversation with Tom Brady last year because obviously, you know, he's got, I think 5 or 10% of the Raiders.
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John Elway
And he called I talked to him from 2.5 hours talking about what the experience was like. You know, and so I think that, you know, he's got that come for him. He's got to conflict with TV and, yeah, you know, being a part of the Raiders. But, you know, I think.
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Ron Zappolo
Tough time to own the Raiders.
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Woody Paige
I had a conversation about that though, because, at one point you were interested in a Los Angeles franchise that you might be a part of its ownership. And, there's been so many rumors about you and Pat Bowlen then that he offered you a percentage of ownership. But you told me later it wasn't quite where, you know, the stories have been over the years.
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Woody Paige
Oh, John lost millions and millions of dollars because he didn't do it. You talk. You explained I had.
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John Elway
An option to buy. My last contract. Had an option. So here's the story. Kislyak gets it wrong. It.
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John Elway
He's. But I had an option with my last contract. In my last contract was an option to buy 10% of the team. Now, I had deferred a ton of money up to that point in time to where the math worked out that at a certain time, once I retired, that what they owed me would have gone to purchasing.
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John Elway
Yeah, right. Right. But it was an I. So there was an option. And the one thing we had no idea about it, but the one thing that happened is Edgar Kaiser still had a right of first refusal.
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Tom Green
That's right.
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John Elway
He still had the right of first refusal, I don't think. And IT manager was doing better at the time. I don't know that he had ever challenges, but I don't know how well he was doing in his other business ventures. And plus where the NFL was.
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Woody Paige
Going, I can do.
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Tom Green
Poorly. But that was lurking. That was still out in there that that might come to pass and be a legal problem. They later got that settled when they ultimately made this sale. Right?
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John Elway
Yeah, I didn't I didn't know that he had the role for I didn't know we didn't know that Edgar had the right of first refusal. So and I think Pat and his team probably forgot about it too. And so then that's when they came to me somehow Edgar had heard about it.
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Ron Zappolo
And so and he sued.
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John Elway
So then he came in and said, first of all, I said, you can't, I can't exercise the option. Right? You can't I can't exercise the option. And so, so then I, you know, and then they go to they went to court and Edgar sees them and they actually lost. Edgar won the first suit. Right. And then it went to the Supreme Court Colorado Supreme Court.
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John Elway
And Pat ended up winning. But yeah.
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Woody Paige
You called me at one point. I said, would you straighten this out? And the other people.
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John Elway
Said.
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Woody Paige
It just sounded like because people were.
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John Elway
Saying, I gotta give. Well, he walked.
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Ron Zappolo
Away from, you know.
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John Elway
How was works for.
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John Elway
Other man dollars. No, no, no. And I'm like, yeah, nice all.
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Ron Zappolo
Sportswriters. Hey can I change the subject with you for one minute? We've all known you now for over 40 years, and I know from being around you a lot what a public figure you are. But I also think it's fair to say that you're a private guy. You you you keep a lot of things inside. What compelled you to do this Netflix documentary, which I've read great things about?
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Ron Zappolo
And apparently from what I read, John, you've opened up about a lot of things in this documentary that you had never talked about publicly before.
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John Elway
Yeah. And I think that that was yeah, I will tell you around, the reason I did it for the first part is really kind of the legacy, you know, like because there's a book in books and down and out and, but I really did it.
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John Elway
For.
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John Elway
The grandkids and for them and maybe and maybe my great grandkids. Right. So they can get a feel for, you know, the personalities of people rather than through a book. The personalities. You know, what? You know, kind of what my story was. And as well as, you know, there's stuff with my twin sister in it and my dad and bunch of stuff in there.
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John Elway
So it was really fun going down memory lane and looking back at it. But it was also hard because there's a lot of pain there. Losing Janet, losing my dad and different things that went on. There were things and I think I've always been kind of a private person, so it was a two way. It felt really honest going to that premiere, and you're going down there to watch a tape of movie on yourself.
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John Elway
That was I was not looking forward to that, but it ended up being a good. Yeah.
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Ron Zappolo
So you're glad you did it?
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John Elway
You're glad. I'm really glad I did it. Yeah.
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Woody Paige
So it was cathartic for you in terms of that. You got out a lot of information that maybe you had placed aside. Yeah, because you said.
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John Elway
Before and not only that, what it was also kind of pushed down. Right? Because it happened so long ago. Right. So, you know, when you go through pain like that, time is one that heals it, but you kind of push it down, kill it. And so to kind of bring it back and, and go through that, that again.
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John Elway
And it was, you know.
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Tom Green
Somewhat therapeutic.
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John Elway
Yeah. And so, you know.
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Ron Zappolo
A lot of younger people in Denver probably will never or don't realize how much struggles you had football wise, because the certain things that were out of your control early in your career, right?
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John Elway
Yeah. I mean, no question, I think that, you know, go through the draft and, you know, back in the NFL, you know, the draft stuff and all of that stuff and trying to get my kind of my point of view from what the real story is and what the options were and what I was going to do. And, you know, it's still the same.
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John Elway
I was gonna play baseball for a year and name goes back in the draft, and then we'll see what happens the following year. And then two weeks later we get.
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Woody Paige
You know, and.
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John Elway
Then there was.
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Woody Paige
The situation to do. You both were we were talking about it earlier before you got here, that, your coach, Dan Reeves, had been a player, tough player, competitive person. You're a competitive person. And it was almost like heads beating against each other of two strong, competitive men. Did you, in looking back on that, feel that that was the case, that he wanted to prove that he could make you in his form, become what he wanted you to be while you had a strong feeling about what you should be as a quarterback.
00;19;37;15 - 00;19;38;11
Woody Paige
Yeah, that makes sense.
00;19;38;11 - 00;19;38;27
John Elway
Yeah.
00;19;38;27 - 00;20;03;07
John Elway
I mean, I think that, yeah, I think we're all strong. We're all strong minded coming out of college, you know what I mean? Right? We're all strong minded because if you think about it and I and I think this is one of the, one of the key things why young quarterbacks have a tough time making it in the NFL, especially those first rounders, when it's, what, maybe 50, 50 or even less of the guys that make it that they're used to.
00;20;03;08 - 00;20;20;20
John Elway
Years to high school. You heard about, how great you are. You're great in high school. Then you go to college and you're great in college. And then of that. So you've really never taken a lot of negative criticism before you get out of college. And so coming out of college, you know, you got a pretty good view of yourself.
00;20;20;20 - 00;20;20;28
John Elway
And then you.
00;20;20;28 - 00;20;22;01
Ron Zappolo
Run into guys like us.
00;20;22;08 - 00;20;22;29
John Elway
Well, yeah.
00;20;23;06 - 00;20;44;27
John Elway
But then you run into tough times. You're going to run into tough times, as you know, learning in this league and as a rookie and building it up and, you know, getting used to what you're doing. And plus taking the, you know, the negativity and the negativity started on me before I even played because of the fact that people didn't like the fact that they thought I was bucking the NFL draft.
00;20;44;29 - 00;21;13;03
John Elway
And so I think all those things added to for me because I wanted to fight those negatives. I want to prove everybody wrong. I didn't take personally, I just I it added more incentive for me. Right. So probably even made me more hard headed in the fact of, you know, taking the criticism and not playing real well my rookie year and those type things and, you know, so I got into the negative publicity quick.
00;21;13;06 - 00;21;28;20
Tom Green
Did you have any envy because the other guys, you know, Marino gets with Shula and he gets to throw for thousands of yards and win it all over the place and go to a Super Bowl. You know in his second year and all that. Was that something where you looked and said I want that. Yeah I want what he's got.
00;21;28;20 - 00;21;30;13
Tom Green
That's freedom to throw the football.
00;21;30;13 - 00;21;49;06
John Elway
Yeah. There's no question. I mean, Danny threw for 5000 yards a second year. Yeah I mean that was just unbelievable. And so yeah, there was definitely, you know, especially with the guys that came out in the 82 draft. Right. So there was a competition there no matter what. But you know with Danny, you know, coming out and doing that in the second year, there's no question, you know.
00;21;49;06 - 00;21;55;07
John Elway
Yeah there was like oh we're the same age I want to do that too right? Yeah I think I can do that. I'm just not I should.
00;21;55;08 - 00;21;55;21
Tom Green
Be doing.
00;21;55;22 - 00;21;56;10
John Elway
That. I'd like.
00;21;56;10 - 00;21;57;05
John Elway
To have a chance to.
00;21;57;05 - 00;22;15;11
Ron Zappolo
Do that. But it was almost worse for you because you came to a market where, beyond football, they're writing about what you're giving out Halloween candy. They want to know where you got a haircut. They want to know where you got a beer. I mean, it was suffocating. Yeah. For you.
00;22;15;11 - 00;22;33;21
John Elway
The role got small fast, that's for sure. And that was, you know, it was a big step. And so, you know, those things that I learned that first year and like. And like I said, the criticism added fuel to my fire. So that's why I was like, all right. That kept me going. And that's what I'm going to I ain't going to prove everybody wrong in this deal.
00;22;33;21 - 00;22;36;06
John Elway
And eventually, you know, especially at the Super Bowl. Yeah.
00;22;36;08 - 00;22;51;00
Tom Green
We talk about coach quarterback relationships. And it came up. But you know a lot of people are still buzzing about Belichick Brady who is the guy who was who is the you know Chuck Noland Terry Bradshaw never got along. And you know if you if you would if you were.
00;22;51;01 - 00;22;55;00
John Elway
Governor I don't and I don't blame Chuck. No. If I'm not getting along with Terry Bradshaw you know.
00;22;55;03 - 00;22;58;28
John Elway
Hey. Oh yeah. Griffin.
00;22;59;01 - 00;23;01;20
John Elway
Griffin I'm side with Chuck there.
00;23;01;26 - 00;23;12;10
Tom Green
But even as the game was then or as the game is now, if you had a choice of getting the best coach in the game or the best quarterback in the game, and you could pick one or the other, was there one you'd choose?
00;23;12;16 - 00;23;14;02
John Elway
You know, I think you got to have both.
00;23;14;09 - 00;23;14;26
John Elway
Yeah.
00;23;14;28 - 00;23;35;23
John Elway
You know, I really think you do. And I think that's I mean, a good offensive minded coordinator or head coach is the best thing for a young quarterback. And, you know, I think we're seeing it with with Sean and Bo. Right. That's a good fit. And so I, I and I as a GM, what I learned is that you got to have both those guys.
00;23;35;23 - 00;23;51;06
John Elway
You got it. You got that head guy has got to be he's got to be strong. He's got to know what he's doing. He's got to be a psychologist. And you know, and John's a great psychologist. Mike was a psychologist. And so the coaches and psychologists to get them how they set the standards.
00;23;51;06 - 00;23;52;21
Tom Green
And so you still need a quarterback.
00;23;52;21 - 00;23;57;15
John Elway
You still need you still need them both. You can win without a quarterback. You can't win a championship with that one. Right.
00;23;57;17 - 00;24;10;03
Woody Paige
How about your relationship? Speaking of that, your relationship with Tim Tebow in a short period of time. How do you look back on that fondly or boy, that was the hardest period of my life or whatever.
00;24;10;03 - 00;24;19;03
John Elway
Oh, I look, you know, Tim was a great kid. I mean, it was like he played his tail off and competed, and he was a great kid. It was just a matter of.
00;24;19;05 - 00;24;21;10
Woody Paige
He couldn't play.
00;24;21;13 - 00;24;23;07
John Elway
Well, anything. Yeah.
00;24;23;09 - 00;24;40;27
John Elway
It was like a kid. I remember, remember, I think it was the first year that I was here. We were in Green Band. I had we, we hadn't played well the first two games and Timmy and Tebow had been drafted the year. Would you get drafted? Oh nine yeah, the year before I got here.
00;24;41;00 - 00;24;42;02
John Elway
Yeah. Yeah.
00;24;42;05 - 00;25;00;14
John Elway
And so yeah. And so it was like I mean Kyle Orton was starting. And then I went to John. I said, John, at some point in time I just want you to put this in the back of your mind. At some point in time things are going well. We got to find out what we have with Tebow. Right.
00;25;00;16 - 00;25;22;04
John Elway
So he goes, okay, you know, I you know what I didn't like. And this is probably the second or third week. Well, the fourth week we go to green Bay and Kyle's in there and Timmy's third. And Brady Quinn was the backup. So we're in green Bay. First half goes bad there. Go as Timmy Fox put him in the second half of dope right past.
00;25;22;04 - 00;25;23;08
John Elway
Quinn.
00;25;23;10 - 00;25;27;03
John Elway
And put him in. But then again then you go through that.
00;25;27;03 - 00;25;28;06
Ron Zappolo
Whole year.
00;25;28;09 - 00;25;31;25
John Elway
And then it was absolute.
00;25;31;27 - 00;25;33;09
John Elway
Crazy. Yes.
00;25;33;11 - 00;25;36;01
John Elway
Right. And the wins we had, it was just.
00;25;36;01 - 00;25;37;24
Ron Zappolo
Seven first 20 yards.
00;25;37;26 - 00;25;54;26
John Elway
Oh yeah. We go to Miami. We're down 14. Nothing with three minutes to go. We got one. First down we went 1514 in overtime right. So it's just like. And so after that year it was like oh boy. Cause and team I mean it was going crazy. And it was a great kid and everything but.
00;25;54;28 - 00;26;00;02
Tom Green
And he threw that ball against Pittsburgh. And everyone claims that that was the best. And that's throw he ever made.
00;26;00;02 - 00;26;00;25
John Elway
Exactly.
00;26;00;25 - 00;26;16;02
Woody Paige
And then that week because he had in Kansas City completed two out of eight passes. Yeah. Then you lose at home to Kansas City. Go into the game and the starting quarterback John and I said city yeah.
00;26;16;04 - 00;26;16;09
John Elway
We're.
00;26;16;15 - 00;26;17;11
John Elway
Coming in.
00;26;17;13 - 00;26;27;10
Woody Paige
And I called you. And I said, if you were speaking to Tim Tebow this week, what would you tell him? And you said pull the trigger. There was one of the word in there.
00;26;27;10 - 00;26;28;24
John Elway
Yeah, yeah.
00;26;28;26 - 00;26;50;03
Woody Paige
But I changed the quote for you. And so the next day, everybody's asking Tebow. John Elway says pull the trigger. He said, well, that's what I should do that. Well, guess what happened. He pulled the trigger on the first play, you know, overtime and you win the game. Yeah. But you he didn't seem like a long term solution to you.
00;26;50;03 - 00;26;55;15
Woody Paige
You know, after that though. And Peyton Manning comes.
00;26;55;17 - 00;27;10;10
John Elway
He was the savior I knew. And I'm just telling you, I knew the only out for Tim Tebow. He. Peyton was the only out. I know what he was. Yeah, exactly. But but you think they might have blown up mile.
00;27;10;10 - 00;27;12;09
John Elway
High and blown.
00;27;12;09 - 00;27;19;04
John Elway
Up my house or, you know, I mean, if we had to have an option, you can't you can't win a first round of the playoffs.
00;27;19;06 - 00;27;38;02
Tom Green
This might be awkward for you to answer, but I always felt that the feeling that the reason the Broncos were able to get Peyton Manning is because a guy named John Elway was there, and that meant a lot to Peyton Manning. You know, there was money, there was opportunity here, there in other places. But I get the feeling you were the difference in getting him to commit to come here.
00;27;38;04 - 00;27;54;03
John Elway
You know? Yeah. And we never really talked. He never came to me. Tell me exactly why he came where other was, other than he thought it was best fit for him. And then thing is, a night in Peyton was, you know, you guys know Peyton, and he's very thorough in anything he does. I think you went to Arizona.
00;27;54;03 - 00;27;57;17
John Elway
You went to Tennessee. The only team I was really worried about was Tennessee.
00;27;57;19 - 00;27;58;29
Woody Paige
Yeah. Me? Yeah.
00;27;59;02 - 00;28;21;11
John Elway
And Miami. But the only one I was really worried about was Tennessee, because obviously played college football there and whatnot. But, you know, Peyton came in and he was here for a couple days and, you know, obviously hit it off with John Fox. It was easy to hit it off with because he's a real good guy. And then Mike McCoy and I think Peyton knew coming and talking to McCoy and what we're going to do offensively that Peyton knew here we were going to do everything he wanted to do.
00;28;21;15 - 00;28;22;25
John Elway
You know, and what he was you.
00;28;22;25 - 00;28;28;08
Tom Green
Was talking to you about being a Bronco and all that. I can imagine. You could have sold it, you know. Yeah. I mean.
00;28;28;08 - 00;28;37;23
John Elway
We went to church. He came in and went to Cherry Hill just sat on top of everything's Where I was and what, you know, what our goals were. And it's, you know, trying to, you know what Championships.
00;28;37;23 - 00;28;39;28
John Elway
I worked out pretty good. Yeah, yeah.
00;28;40;01 - 00;28;54;17
Ron Zappolo
And so and a lot of other good moves you made too that people forget bring draft and Von Miller, bringing in Emmanuel Sanders. Go get in. T.J. Ward. You did a lot of thing, Mark. A good mark on the defensive side of the ball.
00;28;54;17 - 00;28;56;13
John Elway
That defense is as good as there was.
00;28;56;13 - 00;29;03;09
Ron Zappolo
And you think that how would you compare that defense? And this defense?
00;29;03;11 - 00;29;13;08
John Elway
I it's pretty it's I think experience wise we were better than I think they do more now than we did back in 2015 with Wade being the you know Wade. Right.
00;29;13;11 - 00;29;14;00
Ron Zappolo
Wade was.
00;29;14;01 - 00;29;17;24
John Elway
Wade was it was a man it up and and playing and.
00;29;17;27 - 00;29;20;13
Ron Zappolo
That secondary was yeah Chris.
00;29;20;13 - 00;29;21;01
John Elway
Harris.
00;29;21;01 - 00;29;21;12
Tom Green
Yeah.
00;29;21;15 - 00;29;33;18
John Elway
You know so but yeah it's a different style of defense because this one's a lot more aggressive. We could we could pressure with four on with in 2015 with pressure with four. That's why we won the Super Bowl because we could pressure with four. Yeah.
00;29;33;18 - 00;29;39;24
Tom Green
And so this one might be better in the middle of that defensive line though. I mean on a road team they seem like.
00;29;39;24 - 00;29;40;23
John Elway
They're they're really good.
00;29;40;23 - 00;29;42;16
Tom Green
They run it in the middle.
00;29;42;18 - 00;30;06;00
Woody Paige
You said to me when you took over and that here was a guy who's one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. You love Dolphins is when the 97 and 98 teams great offenses. And you said, I want to develop defense. And I always remember that quote, you may not remember you said defense is what gets the crowd up.
00;30;06;02 - 00;30;15;05
Woody Paige
He said the the interception, the fumble recovery. And I found that so funny after you'd spent an entire career your entire life, you say.
00;30;15;07 - 00;30;17;24
John Elway
My first ten years, that's what kept us in every game was.
00;30;17;24 - 00;30;19;11
John Elway
A defense, right?
00;30;19;13 - 00;30;21;05
John Elway
I mean, we're still getting you know, we were getting on.
00;30;21;08 - 00;30;26;02
Woody Paige
So you did develop that defense? Yeah. That was sensational. Yeah.
00;30;26;05 - 00;30;49;00
John Elway
Well, I'll tell you what happened there too, right? Because in 2013, Peyton broke all the records and all the TV passes and, you know, went through the rough offensively, statistically. And then we went and got beat by the by the Seahawks in New York and Siebel 48. You know, 48 to 6 or whatever it was. And you know and so I remember after that game I'm like all right we're going back to the defensive side.
00;30;49;00 - 00;31;06;17
John Elway
Peyton was starting to slide a little bit too. And so and then it just it worked out. And a good thing I will tell you, the easiest thing in the world is recruit to Peyton Manning. That's that's what you don't realize is when you have a guy like that, guys will take him play. They'll come play him.
00;31;06;17 - 00;31;16;24
Ron Zappolo
Don't you also think that your coach, Gary Kubiak, did a remarkable job that year with Peyton? The guy who was his skills were to send his boss, Gary, manage? Yeah.
00;31;16;24 - 00;31;34;20
John Elway
So well. And Gary was so good at that. That's how Gary Gary really manages the team. Well, he's you know, in his as a reserved and quiet as he is, he's that good up in front of the team and really you know a heck of a job. I mean it was you know because John ended up going we split ways with John Fox and he went to Chicago I think.
00;31;34;22 - 00;31;38;27
John Elway
Yeah. And you know, and then Gary came in and you know wanted that first year.
00;31;38;27 - 00;32;14;07
Woody Paige
And so you take two moments and I wrote down this morning seven moments in my career of watching you that. But for me, I think my moment in my sportswriting careers, when I got up at the Pro Football Hall of Fame and I'm supposed to give this speech, and I had spent days writing pages and pages of pages about you, and I tossed it on the floor and I said, gentlemen, John Elway and I sat back down and there was a standing ovation.
00;32;14;12 - 00;32;16;01
John Elway
And I thought, oh.
00;32;16;03 - 00;32;25;20
Woody Paige
Boy, that's something. And they were applauding you. But they are putting that. I took 10s.
00;32;25;23 - 00;32;26;08
John Elway
And well.
00;32;26;08 - 00;32;27;11
Tom Green
Brevity is you're known.
00;32;27;11 - 00;32;29;19
John Elway
For the. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
00;32;29;26 - 00;32;54;13
Woody Paige
And it's still the shortest speech in the history of the Pro Football Hall of Fame. But for you all I could write down this morning and it's on a piece of paper. Here's two moments in your career when you heard this one's for John, and you were able to come back years later and say, this one's for Pat.
00;32;54;16 - 00;33;11;06
Woody Paige
I would think that a lot of the other memories may fade. You've been brought back in your Netflix documentary, but those two have to stand in the front of your mind, in your life and in your career, no doubt.
00;33;11;10 - 00;33;29;28
John Elway
Yeah. I mean, it solidified me as a quarterback and as a GM, if you think about it, right, that I was able to fit the bill and be on the winning team and help put it, you know, Super Bowl team together. And so, yeah, those two and plus the relationship I had with Peyton and you know, to be able to do that was, was special.
00;33;29;28 - 00;33;48;11
John Elway
So, yeah, I mean, I still when Mobley knocked that pass down in Super Bowl 32, that was like the happiest. When I saw that hit the ground, I was like, I ran out to Tommy Neal and I said, Tom. And I've taken 2 million snaps in my life. I said, Tommy, make sure I get this football.
00;33;48;13 - 00;34;05;08
Tom Green
You guys were great in that game. You went in as heavy underdogs and then next year you go back against Dan as heavy favorites. I imagine doing what you did as a heavy underdog was helpful in going in as a heavy favorite and understanding. Yeah, it doesn't mean anything when we line it up.
00;34;05;09 - 00;34;20;12
John Elway
Right. You know, and I you know, the other thing, you know, the 98 team, we were so good, right? We had most everybody back. And other than jam, which which Dan or Mike sent me to Sturgis to try to get them to come back.
00;34;20;15 - 00;34;26;00
John Elway
Tough trip, you know. Yeah, I love it. You want me to do what? Okay. I'm right.
00;34;26;02 - 00;34;45;12
John Elway
But we were so good that year, you know? And, And so really. And in that confidence, after winning the Super Bowl, then the confidence we knew coming back we were that good. And so the greatest thing about that year is when we practiced, it was all about if we play like we're we didn't worry about who we're playing.
00;34;45;12 - 00;35;00;09
John Elway
Yeah we understood the defense and none of that. But we knew we were better than everybody and and we, we practiced like, it's up to us if we play well, we're going. No one can beat us if we play the way we're capable of playing. Nobody can be surrounded.
00;35;00;09 - 00;35;17;03
Tom Green
By guys who got to the Ring of fame. Could be in the Hall of Fame. But it was funny because you think of Mike Shanahan either as a talent evaluator or as a coach who got they got of behind you as a sixth round draft pick. Terrell Davis, you tight ends a seventh round pick. Nobody drafted Rod Smith.
00;35;17;03 - 00;35;25;04
Tom Green
Ed McCaffrey. You picked up. He was just laying there right. And they all turned into these I mean yeah I mean that says a lot about Mike I guess.
00;35;25;06 - 00;35;44;12
John Elway
And those guys that in the system right. The system is that good. Mike system that good. We're still seeing it. We're still seeing it in Kyle in San Francisco what they're doing there. But the system was that good. And I think, you know, that's what Mike did. You know Holmgren was great. All those West Coast Walsh, all those guys, it was under Kendall Walsh's Tre Holmgren, all they were all great, but nobody's taken nobody.
00;35;44;12 - 00;36;01;21
John Elway
First of all, took it to the next level. Like like Mike did with formations and different things that we do and outnumbering people in those type of things in the secondary. So Mike, Mike kind of started that with Gary. And then, you know, Kyle's now taking it to a different level because it's a different game. And yeah, there's so much more to it.
00;36;01;21 - 00;36;13;10
John Elway
But you know Mike that's where Mike was so good. And the thing is and I when I say a psychologist as a head coach, Mike was he was good at that. He could push buttons really well.
00;36;13;16 - 00;36;18;27
Ron Zappolo
Do you think Mike could come back and coach right now? If he wanted to try?
00;36;18;27 - 00;36;21;04
John Elway
I tried, I tried.
00;36;21;07 - 00;36;22;23
John Elway
No, but I think he's probably.
00;36;22;23 - 00;36;40;10
John Elway
Yeah, I think he's probably past that. I think even though I still think he really is heavily involved with Kyle and helping Kyle, you know, especially offensively. And that's what keeps Mike going because he's still good at it. So I still think he's heavily involved. But Mike was the one interesting thing about Mike was when we won the thumb one.
00;36;40;11 - 00;36;59;25
John Elway
You know, usually throughout life you win a football game with the coaching staff. Everybody's happy, comes off the accelerator, everybody's happy, and then you play some of the next week and they're not as good and down, and you lose that because you're happy about to have a big win there. But Mike was the exact opposite in the fact that if we won, the pedal went down.
00;36;59;27 - 00;37;00;08
John Elway
Yep.
00;37;00;09 - 00;37;01;10
Ron Zappolo
He was hard, right?
00;37;01;13 - 00;37;14;26
John Elway
It was tough, you know? And then if we lost the game, he could the pedal came up right. Which is the exact opposite of anything we've ever learned. Right? As athletes when we're younger that, you know, and I always thought that that was one unique style of, of Mike's.
00;37;14;26 - 00;37;41;14
Woody Paige
And do you feel somewhat fulfilled about what Vance Joseph, he was your chosen coach, has accomplished now with defense, and he's on the verge of getting another head coaching job. Yeah, that that makes you first personally feel better about the situation that you chose him and it just didn't work out. And secondly, be is what do you think of this team and what it's doing offensively and defensively?
00;37;41;17 - 00;37;56;15
John Elway
Well, first of all I'm excited for Vance. What he's done. He's very bright. What he does defensively these you know they're talented over there. But they also mix things up and do great things scheme wise. And so he's a lot more sound now than he used to be right. He used to be not a sound as he is.
00;37;56;15 - 00;38;11;14
John Elway
But now he's he's got blitz. It's come from all different directions. But he's sound and doing that so very bright. And so I hope he gets another opportunity because I don't you know, looking back at it, I thought he was ready and he probably didn't turn out that he was ready. And and so but it's nice for him.
00;38;11;14 - 00;38;21;11
John Elway
I'm glad he's having the success he has and, and hopefully that, you know, he gets a second chance as a head coach. And then your second question is about the team now.
00;38;21;12 - 00;38;22;21
John Elway
Yeah. I think.
00;38;22;24 - 00;38;25;15
John Elway
You know, it's it's funny to listen they're nine and to.
00;38;25;18 - 00;38;26;11
Ron Zappolo
And everybody.
00;38;26;14 - 00;38;33;27
John Elway
Was talking about well they're not playing that good or this or that. I said Bo turn it down.
00;38;33;27 - 00;38;35;09
John Elway
Don't listen to it.
00;38;35;11 - 00;38;37;28
John Elway
You keep winning games, everything else goes away.
00;38;37;29 - 00;38;43;21
Ron Zappolo
That's that's when you talk to Bo. Does he ever ask you for advice from an old running quarterback?
00;38;43;21 - 00;38;51;04
John Elway
I you know what? I've not had enough time to spend. I haven't spent much time around him. So, you know, I have not had a chance to really sit down and, well.
00;38;51;04 - 00;38;52;18
Woody Paige
Evaluate.
00;38;52;20 - 00;38;53;15
Ron Zappolo
You like.
00;38;53;17 - 00;39;00;29
John Elway
I do like him. Yeah. I think it was much better. I even though him I was playing in the tournament on Sunday, so I was watching the game on my phone. So I.
00;39;01;01 - 00;39;01;26
Ron Zappolo
You got you.
00;39;01;28 - 00;39;06;12
John Elway
Had to go I couldn't take my target was connected like my speaker. And so I missed a.
00;39;06;12 - 00;39;07;12
Ron Zappolo
Lot of it. He played well.
00;39;07;12 - 00;39;23;21
John Elway
He had it on but I think he's settling down a little bit. To me, it looks like for the first part, it looked like he was just moving too quick. Things were moving really, really fast for him. And so I think once he slows that down and I think.
00;39;23;24 - 00;39;24;19
Ron Zappolo
It's hard to do.
00;39;24;19 - 00;39;27;18
John Elway
Agent it's it is agent experience.
00;39;27;21 - 00;39;29;15
Tom Green
Will tell you to slow down. That should do it.
00;39;29;16 - 00;39;32;12
John Elway
Yeah but he's got all the tools right.
00;39;32;12 - 00;39;55;17
Tom Green
I mean but you do you know like in your first year, your rookie year was a struggle for the team, for you. Everything seemed to be hard. And your second year, you guys won ten in a row and is now on an eight game winning streak in that second year. I mean, I think people always want to draw some parallels or contrast between you and Bo, and sometimes, you know, they'll throw in Tebow if the offense is struggling.
00;39;55;19 - 00;39;57;19
Ron Zappolo
There's three different guys there.
00;39;57;25 - 00;40;05;03
Tom Green
But but do you I mean, can you relate to that? You're 24 years old and your second year you win ten in a row and you're on your way to win in the AFC West?
00;40;05;03 - 00;40;23;17
John Elway
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean I think so. And I think and that's right. That's where I think John Payne's done such a great job too. Especially when you talk about him. You know what they did last year and the year they had last year. And you could see that coming off as progress over time and giving him a little bit more, a little more bites, you know, all the time.
00;40;23;17 - 00;40;43;21
John Elway
And so, you know, and then coming into this year, you know, and I think the good thing about Bo, he played 62 college football games. That is huge for most guys. 24 maybe. Yeah. Especially in today's world because if they've played if they've started 24 games in college, they're coming out right as a junior, chances are. So that experience helped him a ton.
00;40;43;21 - 00;41;04;06
John Elway
But I, I, I just think those two together with Sean and his philosophy and Sean, you know, he knows how to win football games. It's proven. Yep. This year that it's they're making the plays when they when they have to make it. And their win in the fourth quarter. Whereas you know the previous 5 or 6 years when when the fourth quarter ever.
00;41;04;07 - 00;41;18;11
John Elway
And everybody was sitting waiting for the bad play to happen. Right, right. The Broncos and their mentality is we're going to make a play to win football game. And so I think and they've got that and they've done it enough. And when you get that confidence like that, you're never out of a game.
00;41;18;11 - 00;41;27;08
Ron Zappolo
And the difference between all these teams is so slight. It's the teams that are coached up and believe they're going to win and have a culture. That's the there.
00;41;27;08 - 00;41;48;12
John Elway
Is a ton to that. That, you know, nobody sees or understands because they're not around it. You guys are a little bit on the outside in the media and stuff. But fans and everybody or not on, you know, what goes on in that those meeting rooms and what goes on on the practice field. And so but they've got that mentality and once because it's so hard when you don't have it is breaking the cycle which is very difficult.
00;41;48;12 - 00;41;49;09
John Elway
Yeah. Yeah.
00;41;49;09 - 00;41;55;10
John Elway
And now that you know they've got that and they've broken it and now they're you know they get in the fourth quarter, they believe they can beat anybody, which.
00;41;55;10 - 00;42;02;05
Ron Zappolo
Is well there's nobody in the AFC that they're going to run into any more that they're going to say, wow, we're.
00;42;02;08 - 00;42;02;27
Tom Green
Overmatched.
00;42;03;03 - 00;42;06;15
Ron Zappolo
You can't I mean they're going to have confidence against anybody.
00;42;06;15 - 00;42;08;07
John Elway
They play. Right. Right.
00;42;08;07 - 00;42;19;05
Woody Paige
So it's you mentioned that, Nix played 62, 64 games more than anybody. You would have played one more game. Does that still bother you?
00;42;19;07 - 00;42;20;08
Tom Green
The band.
00;42;20;11 - 00;42;21;21
John Elway
The band?
00;42;21;24 - 00;42;22;24
Woody Paige
I didn't say that.
00;42;22;24 - 00;42;24;03
John Elway
I know.
00;42;24;05 - 00;42;27;14
John Elway
You know, it's nice you bring that up because this is Thanksgiving.
00;42;27;14 - 00;42;33;23
John Elway
Every year they bring it up to play, so it'll never it. Is it now 47, 43 years.
00;42;33;25 - 00;42;35;24
Woody Paige
But I thought it was a good laugh.
00;42;35;26 - 00;42;37;00
Ron Zappolo
It'll never go away.
00;42;37;01 - 00;42;39;07
John Elway
No, it. Well. So. Yeah, now I can laugh at it.
00;42;39;07 - 00;42;48;29
Tom Green
I have a random old timer for you. I never knew this until this year. And everything in the world finds you on social media. At some point, you pitch to Darryl Strawberry in high school.
00;42;48;29 - 00;43;07;26
John Elway
Yeah, well, my senior year. Yeah, we won that. We won the city title in baseball my junior year, we had like seven guys that were seniors. So we graduated all and then we end up back, get back in the the, city title game. And that funny thing is we played at Dodger Stadium, right? Right. Let's play at Dodger Stadium.
00;43;07;26 - 00;43;19;27
John Elway
And we're playing Crenshaw, who they wrote a book. There's a book about that high school team. Sure. And I was, I think Eric Davis. Chris Brown. And so they had 7 or 8 guys drafted of that team. But yeah, we played them.
00;43;19;27 - 00;43;22;12
Tom Green
You got brought in specifically to face him, right?
00;43;22;12 - 00;43;31;06
John Elway
I was like, well, the starter was going. I hadn't been on a mound in a month because the previous time I'd been on the mound, I hit like three guys walk four.
00;43;31;08 - 00;43;34;00
John Elway
Right. The Rockies, they're looking for you. Yeah. You know.
00;43;34;03 - 00;43;54;29
John Elway
And so our head coach was a hard ass and baseball. And he comes out and he just points third base. And I didn't get on the mound again. And we're at Dodger Stadium. We're down four one. There's a guy on first base. It's like the third inning and I'm playing third base. And I see him come out of the dugout and I swear to God, I've not been on a mound in a month and I'm gone.
00;43;54;29 - 00;44;01;11
John Elway
I got a bad feeling. I just started looking around. Look in the stands, I want you. I don't want to go to the mound. So I went to the.
00;44;01;11 - 00;44;02;16
John Elway
Mound and.
00;44;02;17 - 00;44;04;19
John Elway
He just grabbed. And he didn't like our starting pitcher.
00;44;04;19 - 00;44;06;15
John Elway
Anyway, you.
00;44;06;15 - 00;44;13;25
John Elway
Throws the ball at me, and so we end up. I shut him out from there, we end up winning the game ten four, and all I got was a fastball.
00;44;13;25 - 00;44;14;27
John Elway
Right? And all that.
00;44;15;01 - 00;44;15;29
Tom Green
Yeah, I'll be alive.
00;44;15;29 - 00;44;25;08
John Elway
One alive, I know. Yeah. They didn't know where it was going. They kept him on there on their on their toes. But yeah. So we ended up and Darryl was the starting pitcher against us.
00;44;25;10 - 00;44;48;21
Ron Zappolo
I gotta ask you one story about your dad that I never asked you directly. And all these years, you said that you wanted to play for your dad in college. And your dad, who I loved. You sat behind me all the time in the press box. So many good conversations. And he told, you know, did you ever think about how life would have been different if you had played for him?
00;44;48;27 - 00;45;05;17
John Elway
You know, I would have played for him visiting the Pac ten or the Pac 12 at the time. I would have, you know, I would have played with him. But obviously the the opportunity to go to to Stanford and, and you know, ultimately it was my mom that said, you know, where you're going to chase.
00;45;05;20 - 00;45;06;27
John Elway
I'm not really you know.
00;45;07;00 - 00;45;23;22
John Elway
You're going to Stanford. I said that didn't have any idea the magnitude of the education at that time. I was looking forward to playing football. And, you know, it would have been great to play for my dad, but I think, you know, Stanford was the right place. And I did get to play for him in the East-West Shrine Game.
00;45;23;22 - 00;45;28;04
John Elway
That's the only time I ever got to play with the all star game after my senior year in college. So.
00;45;28;10 - 00;45;30;11
Woody Paige
Oh, so you did play one more game?
00;45;30;11 - 00;45;33;06
John Elway
I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, I did. So yeah.
00;45;33;09 - 00;45;57;00
Tom Green
The today's game is interesting because obviously the offenses continue to get rules bent in their favor. I mean, you can see receivers running free as as much as they can. And the quarterbacks now are not to be touched. Would that have helped you when you think of all the hits that you took that are probably now flags? Because whenever I see Atwater, Dennis Smith around, I think every tackle you guys made was probably a personal foul.
00;45;57;00 - 00;46;02;22
Tom Green
Now it's the same with all those hits on the quarterback that you had to take. I mean, did that that took a toll.
00;46;02;23 - 00;46;15;26
John Elway
It did. I mean, I'm actually still doing okay. So it's hard you know. But yeah I mean it's where they get hit now. And I mean I it still blows my mind if a guy goes to block a pass. I made hit Sky and helmet by. It's how can that possibly.
00;46;15;26 - 00;46;16;27
John Elway
Be.
00;46;16;29 - 00;46;22;15
John Elway
A flag? Why are you wearing a helmet in case someone hit you in the head with a hand or something?
00;46;22;15 - 00;46;25;02
John Elway
Right? Games change.
00;46;25;02 - 00;46;42;29
John Elway
But I changed a lot and I think, you know, it's I think for the better too. They're taking the big hits out the unsafe hits, which is good, you know. But also the mentality change still hasn't changed in that front seven. Those guys are still grinding it out. You know like linebackers. They're just they're still yeah grinding it out.
00;46;42;29 - 00;46;58;11
John Elway
But no one's afraid to go across the mill anymore. I used to feel I used to feel bad if I let anybody into trouble, you know. And so it was that that was all part of the mindset. And I also knew that they were trying to get me out of the game. So I was like, I never wanted to know they hurt me.
00;46;58;11 - 00;47;13;20
Woody Paige
So why? Why the helicopter is all you have to. Sure. Yeah. You say the drive and the helicopter, right? That's everybody. Even eight year olds know this. Why did you do that?
00;47;13;22 - 00;47;14;16
John Elway
The helicopter?
00;47;14;16 - 00;47;28;07
Woody Paige
Yeah. I mean, you talking about being in harm's way, taking gives me sacks. Is you had to do well, do it on purpose. But that play.
00;47;28;09 - 00;47;31;14
John Elway
Yeah. I'm just glad they thought I was going down.
00;47;31;18 - 00;47;32;20
John Elway
Yeah. But you know.
00;47;32;22 - 00;47;50;26
John Elway
Six inch vertical jump going over the top. But it was like I mean that's how much that game meant to. Right. So it was like and that play is you know Mike and I had talked about and argued about the play that came in the whole week. I said, I don't like that play. He goes, well, you know, I do don't like it like I did.
00;47;50;26 - 00;47;52;01
Ron Zappolo
Like he didn't like it.
00;47;52;03 - 00;47;59;17
John Elway
Right? They kept telling Gary, is it my kid? I tell Mike and then Mike didn't listen. I thought Gary said Gary. Well, you tell me that I don't like that play. So anyway, by the end of.
00;47;59;17 - 00;48;02;09
Tom Green
The week, you saw that end. You saw how that play was going to end.
00;48;02;15 - 00;48;25;25
John Elway
Well, no, in the week. So the funny thing is my I said, Mike, what if we don't get this coverage? He goes, Jon 100%. You're 100% of the time we're going to get this coverage. And sure enough, walk out. They're not in that coverage. Right. So it's kind of funny though, when you look at fate and how things set up and then ends up a play that didn't like ends up being the big play that a lot of people remember for a long, long time.
00;48;25;25 - 00;48;26;25
Woody Paige
So, sure. I mean.
00;48;26;26 - 00;48;46;00
Ron Zappolo
Yeah, but you had so many plays. I can think of 30 different individual plays. Having seen your all your games in person, I remember a play in Seattle, never forget where they blitzed you. And a guy came in and he went over your shoulder. You kind of ducked underneath. You ducked underneath him and hit Shannon on a post.
00;48;46;04 - 00;48;47;25
Ron Zappolo
Yeah, I'll never forget that play.
00;48;47;25 - 00;48;51;04
John Elway
Yeah, that Mike that's in my top is it might be my top play.
00;48;51;04 - 00;48;52;29
Ron Zappolo
Yeah. You know what? I'll never forget that.
00;48;52;29 - 00;48;58;25
Tom Green
Did you ever see anybody throw a football better than you?
00;48;58;27 - 00;49;07;11
John Elway
You know, the only guy that I thought was close was Brett Favre. We'd go to those quarterback challenges and do that kind of stuff. So. But but, yeah.
00;49;07;13 - 00;49;12;10
Tom Green
Did your arm get you in trouble at times? Yeah. Like you had a little bit of. Oh yeah. Arm eagle.
00;49;12;10 - 00;49;12;27
John Elway
And this.
00;49;12;27 - 00;49;13;20
John Elway
Yeah. Yeah.
00;49;13;20 - 00;49;14;04
John Elway
Both of them.
00;49;14;07 - 00;49;15;09
Tom Green
I can stick it in. They got me.
00;49;15;09 - 00;49;16;28
John Elway
In trouble like 200 sometimes.
00;49;16;28 - 00;49;18;01
John Elway
Right.
00;49;18;03 - 00;49;34;06
Woody Paige
But I came back from seeing you play, Washington. That's the first time I met you after. After the game. You. I loved Stanford taking that walk down the street to the stadium. Yeah, through the fence.
00;49;34;08 - 00;49;37;25
John Elway
And I was great walking down. It was great walking back when you won.
00;49;37;26 - 00;49;38;18
John Elway
Yeah.
00;49;38;21 - 00;49;39;14
John Elway
It was a long walk.
00;49;39;21 - 00;49;58;03
Woody Paige
And I come back that. That's the strike year in the NFL. And so I'm going and watching, college football players, you know, and went to see you and Washington had a, running back from Denver. Played in the National Football League. That's what I remember too. That was a he he was there SA but.
00;49;58;03 - 00;50;00;11
John Elway
Scott Pruitt was the quarterback I.
00;50;00;11 - 00;50;01;15
Ron Zappolo
Think. Very good.
00;50;01;18 - 00;50;19;16
Woody Paige
But I come back and I say I go into Dan Resolve. It's when you could just walk through the offices and he was having a subway sandwich. And I said I've seen the future of the NFL. Dan? And he said, what is that? That's a John Elway. And he said, well, we can't get him because we as a fourth pick.
00;50;19;19 - 00;50;43;18
Woody Paige
And he said, what makes you so shocked by him? And I said, he throws a ball. And the defensive back is between him and the receiver. And it's like when you drop a dollar bill gave you this I said the he throws it right through the hands of the defensive back because he knows it's so strong and it's going to be me.
00;50;43;19 - 00;50;58;24
Woody Paige
And he said, I've never seen anybody like that. He said, I'd like to get him, but we can't get him. Yeah. So I remember when the trade happened. I went and he said, hi, you were right. He is the future of the NFL and we did get him.
00;50;58;27 - 00;51;03;21
Tom Green
But this thing of that want make it over Harrison Harrison's head. Yes. On the throat.
00;51;03;23 - 00;51;04;27
John Elway
Yeah. Just missed his.
00;51;04;27 - 00;51;06;22
Tom Green
Yeah, yeah. He said it right over his head.
00;51;06;23 - 00;51;29;21
Woody Paige
But I felt like there's a comparison being made. We're not the only ones to talk about this, that it's almost that Peyton is doing what Reeves did to you. Where? On the fourth quarter, when fourth quarter starts, he goes, okay, I'm turning you loose now. Did you feel like that's what your career was about, that Reese, when you were with Reese, that he'd say, and I'm going to just keep it close?
00;51;29;24 - 00;51;44;14
John Elway
I do now. I mean, it's like, you know, at the time, I didn't realize it, but I think that was the style of play. And that's and and that's if you think about what he learned in Dallas, did Dallas ever blow anybody up? I think that was kind of the style was to play good defense, don't make mistakes, keep it close.
00;51;44;14 - 00;51;45;21
Woody Paige
And do you think that.
00;51;45;28 - 00;51;46;06
John Elway
Kind of.
00;51;46;06 - 00;51;50;06
Woody Paige
What they're doing this year though? I mean, the same thing that Peyton's doing that with with Nix.
00;51;50;07 - 00;52;07;11
John Elway
Well, I do think John knows how good he is on defense. Right. So therefore try to prevent the you know, the turnovers. It's funny. And I heard this I wasn't sure if it's true. But you know on the screens they were throwing against the Giants and everybody was going nuts and done that. Well they were really good in the front seven right.
00;52;07;11 - 00;52;27;10
John Elway
Yeah. That defensive front four is really, really good. And I'd heard from a real good source that John was trying to tire those guys out. Right. So he gets them running sideways and they got a cover and down of that, that he wanted to wear them out. And then the league's pretty good when they score 33 points.
00;52;27;12 - 00;52;27;24
John Elway
Yeah.
00;52;27;26 - 00;52;28;22
Tom Green
You have a good.
00;52;28;25 - 00;52;29;22
John Elway
Touch.
00;52;29;24 - 00;52;30;12
Tom Green
Defense.
00;52;30;15 - 00;52;37;03
John Elway
So those type things that we don't know on the outside there's there's a method. There's definitely a method because you.
00;52;37;04 - 00;52;38;27
Ron Zappolo
Conspired to.
00;52;38;29 - 00;52;39;06
John Elway
Yeah.
00;52;39;09 - 00;52;58;29
Ron Zappolo
You do it. Yeah. Hey you know I saw something Sunday that reminded me of you because I always told my boys what a great player you were. And they said, oh, he's a great quarterback. I said, no, no, no, no, he's a great football player. And they would say, what do you mean? And I'd said, every interception I ever saw John throw, he'd go down and knock the living hell over the guy that intercepted it.
00;52;59;01 - 00;53;13;20
Ron Zappolo
And I saw it with Mahomes this Sunday. He tried to make a tackle. You got by him. And then he still kept running and tried to recover the fumble. Does Mahomes sometimes remind you of yourself?
00;53;13;22 - 00;53;20;03
John Elway
Yeah yeah I mean he's got a lot of different arm angles that I didn't have I didn't throw any. No look. But you know.
00;53;20;05 - 00;53;21;08
Ron Zappolo
But you made wasn't.
00;53;21;09 - 00;53;22;02
John Elway
The thing back.
00;53;22;02 - 00;53;24;14
Tom Green
It wouldn't have been popular on the bench.
00;53;24;16 - 00;53;27;22
Ron Zappolo
You did what he did though. You make you made plays out of.
00;53;27;29 - 00;53;39;27
John Elway
And that's you know, and I've been around him and played golf with him a little bit. He's really a good kid and he's he's got that young spirit and I think, I think he's that good too. And they're on him next year.
00;53;39;27 - 00;53;47;00
Tom Green
After that loss this week. And you felt that too. You have great, great. And people get on your feet. You you win 910 in a row and you lose 1 or 2 people like.
00;53;47;03 - 00;53;59;02
John Elway
Yeah exactly a minute. I saw a deal on ESPN today. Like this may be the first. If he loses this week, it's the first time he's lost three games in a row in his nine year career. Right. So it's come on.
00;53;59;07 - 00;54;17;13
Woody Paige
But you had the availability. And I think Rod's right. You had the ability to take chicken shit and turn it into a salad. And that actually I think elongated your career. Because you were in boy trouble even though you got I.
00;54;17;13 - 00;54;20;24
John Elway
Didn't avoid it. I probably played seven years.
00;54;20;26 - 00;54;21;13
John Elway
Would you say a.
00;54;21;13 - 00;54;33;15
Tom Green
Long career, though? That's. I think what the documentary shows is you also weren't going to go until you'd been to the top. It seems like that's a big piece of the story that people will see on Netflix.
00;54;33;15 - 00;54;37;12
John Elway
Yeah. No doubt. Yeah. I mean, I was chasing that championship. I was going to go until. Right.
00;54;37;18 - 00;54;37;27
Woody Paige
Yeah.
00;54;38;02 - 00;54;39;15
John Elway
That was, I was and yeah.
00;54;39;18 - 00;55;07;10
Woody Paige
I've told the story and you won't remember this. The open courts failed in your you have a suite there and somehow we end up in the same suite and you say, am I going to make the Hall of Fame? Because I was on the Hall of Fame committee and I said, Johnny, would you make it? But until you win one, you won't be first, first round, because I'd seen going through 15 years of that and you said, so if I win a Super Bowl, I said, if you can get to that, win that too.
00;55;07;12 - 00;55;31;13
Woody Paige
And I wasn't the impetus for him doing it. But I remember saying that and when you got to, that's why going back to what we talked to about earlier, about I could get up in front of 48 people and say, John Elway, that's all it took. I think that somebody is going to come along in the next three years and say.
00;55;31;15 - 00;55;58;29
Woody Paige
Gentlemen and ladies, Tom Brady. Yeah, but they can't. But there were no ladies in the room at the time. Yeah, but do you think that having a golf career which you've had kind of using that word again, a long dated your competitive juices because you played so much golf professionally in, in the tournaments. Yeah.
00;55;58;29 - 00;56;03;15
John Elway
I mean I it's not really much of a golf career. I enjoy playing golf and I have.
00;56;03;16 - 00;56;05;15
Woody Paige
Played in the open.
00;56;05;16 - 00;56;11;25
John Elway
As I've played. Yeah, I've tried to make the cut there. So it's like when I go I, you know, it's yeah, it's a challenge, you know, playing time.
00;56;11;29 - 00;56;21;12
Woody Paige
I was there when you were maybe 2 or 3 points out of the lead. On the last day. Yeah, yeah. A chance to win. So, you mentioned.
00;56;21;14 - 00;56;38;27
Tom Green
The Hall of Fame. It's funny to me because I think of. I think everybody here thinks Mike Shanahan belongs. And I don't think there's a question, but the path to the Hall of Fame for coaches, because they now get down to nine and 6 or 7 of them all belong in the Hall of Fame. And it's just a matter of how are they going to put one and one and one a year.
00;56;39;00 - 00;56;42;16
Woody Paige
And the oddity is that two of your coaches are competing.
00;56;42;16 - 00;56;42;23
John Elway
Yeah.
00;56;42;23 - 00;56;59;06
John Elway
And I thought Mike should have gone in last year over Holmgren. Personally, I mean, yeah. And I mean, that's not taking anything away from any of those guys. Right. But I think without a doubt he should have got in last year with you. Put him against Holmgren and their record against my you know Mike superior.
00;56;59;06 - 00;57;03;28
Tom Green
With one coach not in the Hall of Fame is Frank Kush.
00;57;04;01 - 00;57;23;20
Tom Green
But there's this great there's this great theory. And it seems to really hold water that a Frank Kush wasn't there. If they'd had a coach that you and your father were comfortable with, you would have gone to Baltimore. Baltimore would have never moved. Cleveland would have never moved. The Broncos might have had to move. Indy would have. No, no, really?
00;57;23;22 - 00;57;35;18
Tom Green
No. You think about it. I mean, what if you go play and you're a Colt and you're the next John Unitas and they go on and have 15 years of it, Baltimore isn't going anywhere. So Cleveland doesn't move to Baltimore. There's no Indy.
00;57;35;18 - 00;57;37;10
Woody Paige
There's no you ruined the NFL.
00;57;37;12 - 00;57;41;09
John Elway
You change everything. It's sure.
00;57;41;11 - 00;57;42;04
John Elway
You saw it all.
00;57;42;05 - 00;57;52;25
John Elway
But I say, you know and I will say this, Tom about Baltimore and obviously because I one day when I came out of high school, I went to I didn't take a trip to Arizona State because of Coach Reagan. I'd heard, you know, his reputation.
00;57;52;26 - 00;57;58;23
Woody Paige
Well, yours, your one, your father in a all star game or something or clinic with him.
00;57;58;23 - 00;58;12;29
John Elway
And we could have been like, it could have been it didn't like it. But ultimately, the ownership group with Robert Air say, and what he was doing. And I mean, it really came down to the organization, not Chris or Chris actually added to it. But it wasn't.
00;58;12;29 - 00;58;13;08
Tom Green
Just.
00;58;13;08 - 00;58;21;23
John Elway
Him. No, it wasn't just him. It was more the organization and what they were doing and, you know, the instability of their say. And so that's really what.
00;58;21;25 - 00;58;26;04
Woody Paige
Would you what kind of baseball player would you have been?
00;58;26;06 - 00;58;41;09
John Elway
You know, I had a good year. Minor league baseball between my junior, senior year, I got off to a real slow start because I hadn't played in nine months, except I got done playing football. I had to wait six months to go play. I had two guys that I roomed with at Stanford, Steve Michelle and Michael Jetty.
00;58;41;10 - 00;58;54;18
John Elway
Both of them were good. Maybe they both had, yeah, 10 to 12, 13 year careers. And so I think compared to them, if they could have done it, I think I could have done it now. How good I could have been, I don't know, I spent a lot more time on football than I did baseball.
00;58;54;21 - 00;59;00;06
Tom Green
So did you play with anybody in Oneonta who made it?
00;59;00;09 - 00;59;02;11
John Elway
Jim Déchets, the pitcher left hand.
00;59;02;14 - 00;59;03;22
Tom Green
He does the Cubs games on.
00;59;03;23 - 00;59;09;07
John Elway
To the team. Yeah. So he was the one that made it there. So. Yeah. So yeah.
00;59;09;09 - 00;59;09;19
Ron Zappolo
Yeah.
00;59;09;19 - 00;59;24;11
Tom Green
Well, I, you know, obviously we could do another five hours of this, but, we, I know you got to get to the golf course. It's really nice of you to share your story both on Netflix and here with us. I mean, we've all known you for a long time, from from the day you arrived and beyond.
00;59;24;11 - 00;59;32;23
Tom Green
But it's it's special to get some some long time to chat and to make a chat that we can share with, with our viewers and listeners. So it's really cool of you to make the trip.
00;59;32;23 - 00;59;41;01
John Elway
Well, I will say this. The reason I came down here because of you old fogies too, the fact that we've been all in together so it's like, you know, I get a lot of chance to do that.
00;59;41;01 - 00;59;42;22
Ron Zappolo
I, I said this to you.
00;59;42;26 - 00;59;43;23
John Elway
It was a love hate with.
00;59;43;23 - 00;59;45;03
John Elway
You guys, you know?
00;59;45;06 - 00;59;46;08
John Elway
Now it's just love.
00;59;46;08 - 00;59;48;28
John Elway
So that's why I'm here. Isn't that like.
00;59;49;01 - 00;59;51;12
Woody Paige
I think it was more love with you guys?
00;59;51;15 - 00;59;52;14
John Elway
More. Hey.
00;59;52;16 - 00;59;53;13
Tom Green
We're going to rename the show.
00;59;53;13 - 00;59;54;10
John Elway
We're, Yeah.
00;59;54;10 - 00;59;57;07
John Elway
You were. You were down low on the list. A couple that.
00;59;57;09 - 00;59;58;13
John Elway
You were in your spot.
00;59;58;15 - 01;00;12;14
Woody Paige
But there was a moment when I was living in, in a famous house in Denver where we could watch fights, and you'd come over and bring some of the offensive linemen you probably like Bill Daniels house.
01;00;12;19 - 01;00;13;06
John Elway
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
01;00;13;12 - 01;00;37;20
Woody Paige
We come over and we watch on a 200ft track. Yeah, but final question, because you're, you're you have just seen your documentary. Did you learn something about yourself watching yourself that you had never really recognized, that you suddenly go, oh man, that's a point I had never thought about.
01;00;37;23 - 01;00;57;11
John Elway
I wouldn't say that. I would say the one thing that it really helped me because I know losing dad and then losing Jana, you know, in a year and a half, I think how I handled that as I can't ran away from it. Right. I because there was so much pain. They're losing my best friend. They were my two best friends.
01;00;57;11 - 01;01;19;19
John Elway
My dad was my best friend. And my Jan and I, as twins were. She was, you know, the best of my best friends. So losing those two people in a short period of time, how I coped with that, I kind of realized going back, talking about it, looking back on it of, you know, I really kind of shoved it down and, you know, it's amazing.
01;01;19;22 - 01;01;52;07
John Elway
And I and the reason I feel that is because what I watch when I, you know, when I watch the tape, I get emotional every time I watch it. Right. And so that to me tells me, all right. And it's a good thing to get emotional about it, but it's also kind of tells me maybe it's something that you stashed away for a long, long time, and to be able to kind of bring it back to life has made me kind of appreciate that a little bit more and feel like, you know, because, you know, when you're battling, you know, and you're getting beat on all the time, sometimes you wonder if you can be,
01;01;52;10 - 01;02;14;19
John Elway
you know, because you're fighting the criticism. You wonder sometimes if you just you become such a cold person that you know, you sure, you put a wall, you put walls and then you know, and then you kind of then your emotional center because you don't want to handle it. And da da da da da. And so I think this doing this Netflix deal is really kind of help me go back and visit that.
01;02;14;19 - 01;02;28;11
John Elway
And there's so many great times and so many great memories. And so it was it was fun going through that process. But also and I've talked to all my, you know, I've talked to my friends. All my friends are gone. I didn't know that much about you. And so so that.
01;02;28;11 - 01;02;30;25
Tom Green
Means really opened up. Yeah. Really shared. So it'll be a.
01;02;30;25 - 01;02;32;21
Ron Zappolo
It'll be good 22nd.
01;02;32;23 - 01;02;35;04
John Elway
22nd of December. Yeah. It's coming out so.
01;02;35;09 - 01;02;46;11
Woody Paige
And so do you have a plan or with your grandchildren that you're going to sit down and talk about this of in the documentary?
01;02;46;13 - 01;02;52;18
John Elway
I haven't really thought about that yet. So we'll see. Maybe we're together and we watch it with them. I don't know that, you know. So, I mean, really.
01;02;52;20 - 01;02;53;23
Woody Paige
It's good to see you.
01;02;53;25 - 01;02;54;27
John Elway
Good to see you guys.
01;02;54;27 - 01;02;57;00
Ron Zappolo
Thanks. Thanks for coming, John. Right.
01;02;57;01 - 01;03;07;01
John Elway
Well, I mean, I mean, that's I I'm glad you asked me you when you sent it down there and but I'm glad you asked me cause I, it's good talking to you guys and seeing you guys and getting caught up a little bit. Yeah.
01;03;07;04 - 01;03;07;28
Woody Paige
What we're thinking.
01;03;07;28 - 01;03;09;17
John Elway
You better luck with your podcast.
01;03;09;19 - 01;03;10;05
Ron Zappolo
We're. Thanks.
01;03;10;05 - 01;03;10;16
Woody Paige
We're talking.
01;03;10;20 - 01;03;12;19
Tom Green
This helps. Thank you. Thank you very.
01;03;12;19 - 01;03;17;00
Woody Paige
Much. Yeah, but we're also thinking about Tom's not really holding up his hand.
01;03;17;02 - 01;03;18;05
John Elway
Yeah.
01;03;18;07 - 01;03;26;20
Woody Paige
If we put it around your schedule of golf and when you're in town and out of town, maybe we could do it out of Idaho.
01;03;26;22 - 01;03;27;01
John Elway
Yeah.
01;03;27;07 - 01;03;30;03
John Elway
And you guys like that? We'll go do it on the boat.
01;03;30;04 - 01;03;32;01
John Elway
Yeah. Great.
01;03;32;03 - 01;03;34;05
Ron Zappolo
Thanks again, John Joyce.
01;03;34;05 - 01;03;35;12
John Elway
It's great to hear you guys.